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Old 06-01-2010, 02:10 AM   #16
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Just FYI - This was discussed in SMP about a month ago.

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Old 06-01-2010, 06:50 AM   #17
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When your retarded brethren stop threatening and indoctrinating children, trying to change science textbooks, and starting wars and genocides over which imaginary god is better, trust me I will not give a ****

they are more akin to you than me, my over-zealous friend.

I keep no retarded brethren.
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:33 AM   #18
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So I feel that this applies to religion as well, because most of the people on this forum probably think that they and others arrived at their position as a result of rational arguments, when in reality people's beliefs are much more arbitrary. They are largely based on societal and social pressures.
Do you include your beliefs under the umbrella of "largely based on societal and social pressures" or are you exempt?

If you are exempt, why are you exempt?

If you are not exempt, then is there a reason that anyone should give any more credence to your viewpoint than a religious viewpoint? After all, you are largely the product of societal and social pressures, just like the rest of us.
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Old 06-01-2010, 01:31 PM   #19
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Do you include your beliefs under the umbrella of "largely based on societal and social pressures" or are you exempt?

If you are exempt, why are you exempt?
I'm exempt because science and evidence are at the top of my priority list when forming my beliefs and deciding what I do not believe. I don't give a flying rats ass if I displease you or many people like you by doing so. The rest of the world obviously does.
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Old 06-01-2010, 02:29 PM   #20
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I'm exempt because science and evidence are at the top of my priority list when forming my beliefs and deciding what I do not believe.
And you believe that "science and evidence" are not societally driven constructs?

Edit: Alternatively, is your belief in the value of "science and evidence" exempt from being "largely based on societal and social pressures"?

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I don't give a flying rats ass if I displease you or many people like you by doing so.
Awwww... poor you. A victim of your own societal and social pressures....
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Old 06-01-2010, 03:07 PM   #21
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And you believe that "science and evidence" are not societally driven constructs?
I said that where? The distinction I made in the OP included things like massive social pressures to believe in religion or else you go to hell. There is nothing even remotely approaching that single religious pressure in science. I never said science isn't a social enterprise. A reason it is vastly superior and more objective than religion is is because science doesn't threaten you to believe in it in every avenue it possibly can as religion does. It is warranted with respect, admiration and value based on it's merits and it's ability to make testable predictions about reality. It doesn't get by solely on threatening people like religion. You are so desperate to try to twist everything, it's really sad.

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Edit: Alternatively, is your belief in the value of "science and evidence" exempt from being "largely based on societal and social pressures"?
Yes, because it's based on it's ability to make correct predictions about reality over a huge sample size, not on a bunch of empty threats, blowhard.

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Awwww... poor you. A victim of your own societal and social pressures....
wtf are you talking about. you are the one of the worst posters on this forum. keep beating your wife, aaron.

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Old 06-01-2010, 03:23 PM   #22
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I said that where?
It was certainly implied when you were claiming that science was exempt from societal and social pressures.

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There is nothing even remotely approaching that single religious pressure in science.
I thought you were talking about "social" pressures.

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I never said science isn't a social enterprise. The reason it is vastly superior and more objective than religion is is because science doesn't threaten you to believe in it in every avenue it possibly can as religion does.
I think it would be fair to say that science "threatens" you in the same way religion does. They both claim that certain behaviors have certain consequences.
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they are more akin to you than me, my over-zealous friend.
Yeah you're right, it's much better to be totally indifferent to people abusing and indoctrinating children like a good little christian.
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It was certainly implied when you were claiming that science was exempt from societal and social pressures.



I thought you were talking about "social" pressures.
Do you have a point? Seriously, why don't you just come out and say what you want to say. I don't have time to sit here and play word games with you all day, as much as you would like me to

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I think it would be fair to say that science "threatens" you in the same way religion does. They both claim that certain behaviors have certain consequences.
This is a ****ing joke. Give me one "threat" that science makes that is akin to the concept of hell in religion. I look forward to your next post.
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Do you have a point?
You want to claim that people's beliefs are "largely based on societal and social pressures" but you seem to have difficulty accepting that your beliefs are "largely based on societal and social pressures."

Edit: You don't have to respond right away. But of course, if you walk away from the conversation and pretend like it disappears, it wouldn't be intellectually honest.
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Give me one "threat" that science makes that is akin to the concept of hell in religion.
If you drink certain types of poison, you will die a painful death.
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You want to claim that people's beliefs are "largely based on societal and social pressures" but you seem to have difficulty accepting that your beliefs are "largely based on societal and social pressures."
You want to claim that my beliefs are "largely based on societal and social pressures" when I literally just ****ing told you that me valuing science is purely a product of it's established ability to make correct predictions about reality over a large sample size.

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If you drink certain types of poison, you will die a painful death.
are you ****ing kidding me right now

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Old 06-01-2010, 03:40 PM   #29
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You want to claim that my beliefs are "largely based on societal and social pressures" when I literally just ****ing told you that me valuing science is purely a product of it's established ability to make correct predictions about reality over a large sample size.
So... you're a special case... that's nice that you believe that.
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Are you saying that this isn't a claim that science makes?
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