Originally Posted by Original Position

Everyone is spiritually bankrupt. Spirituality, unless interpreted metaphorically, refers to something that doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by zenjedi

So, my hard-headed, skeptical, rational, atheist friends, I am curious to know how you make sense of human history. How do you rationalize the building of the Great Pyramids, the Mayan pyramids, the Jewish temples, the monoliths at Tenochtitlan and Baalbek, the Muslim conquests, the Christian conquests, the Sistine Chapel, the Taj Majal, and all the other great art, architecture, poems, literature and science which were inspired by religious belief – all those apparently irrational feats that rank among humanity’s greatest works?

What do such things tell you about human psychology and the centrality of spirituality to human civilization? And what do you suppose will motivate an atheistic civilization to do great works on such a scale? Don’t you think that atheism is an unproven basis for human civilization, which is likely to lead to widespread nihilism, despair, depopulation and collapse? What were some of the great works of, say, the Soviet Union, which will be admired and revered in a thousand years? Do you see that there is a state of consciousness which religions can invoke and harness for great works, but which rational materialists ignore or flee from in terror?

My point being: there is something vital missing from your worldview, which a study of history should make glaringly obvious. Why would you want to spiritually bankrupt yourself? Why do you want to live in a bleak, atheistic, Stalinist civilization? I'm not too worried about you though, because the problem seems to be self-correcting -- atheists tend not to reproduce themselves or inspire people like all those ignorant, superstitious religious folks who are beating the Dawkinsites at their own Darwinian game!

Originally Posted by Splendour

You may enjoy watching Quarterman's video.

Atheists never like to entertain the idea that they lack information.

Originally Posted by Splendour

I said.

I won't be entertaining posts from anyone other than the OP itt.

Originally Posted by Doggg

Oddly enough, the atheists might be right in a way.

And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

Originally Posted by Doggg

Oddly enough, the atheists might be right in a way.

And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

If you can't see or know the Spirit, He might as well be nonexistent. But in order to know the Spirit, you must have God's ways confirmed inside of you. It's funny the way it works, that the gospel message itself judges a man, and not so much God. The message is either agreeable to you and it finds root in your heart, or your heart is hardened to it, which allows you ample intellectual room to reject it. In the end, you are either a child of the light or you are not.

I wonder how many here reject God's ways because they have embraced a secular, politically-grounded alternative? My opinion is that most fit this bill.

Originally Posted by batair

Yeah thats it. We dont believe in God because we dont want to follow Gods rules. Oh wait..that means we believe in God. I like how that works.

Originally Posted by asdfasdf32

Haven't you learned that quoting the Bible will get you nowhere?



Most every atheist rejects God in exactly the same way they reject the Lochness Monster: lack of evidence. And I'm pretty sure no atheist's atheism is politically-grounded (whatever that means).

Originally Posted by Doggg

I've been on this forum long enough to know that almost every atheist here leans in the same direction politically. I ran with the atheist crowd for 20 years. To say otherwise is just LOL.

But it's not a political matter at the root. The heart of the matter is that the gospel does not agree with your heart, or soul. The Word has no place in you.

Also, I cannot see your replies unless someone quotes you.