ahhaha good ole' crazychips knew a thing or two about stuff

Why can't it be both?

"....Since the beginning of days they have been talking about the end of days. "

When every generation gets old and near death, they always believe they are the last and that if they die then so will the world.

Keep this in mind as to when satan will be back on earth.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The church in Smyrna is one of the two churches Christ found no fault with. In verse Rev 2:10 Christ said satan shall cast some of you into prison. If the Church is being "raptured" before the tribulation why is this one still here in the tribulation? I believe it is because there is no rapture. We will gather back to Christ when he returns at the seventh trump.

Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

If that isn't enough. Paul says it plain that satan will be here first and that satan will be claiming to be God.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

On in the same chapter it is said again.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

If you want to escape the hour of temptation you need to know the real Christ from the fake. You can't be tempted by satan if you know who he is.

The son of perdition is satan.

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

H11
אבדּון
'ăbaddôn
ab-ad-done'
Intensively from H6; abstractly a perishing; concretely Hades: - destruction.

perdition
G684
ἀπώλεια
apōleia
ap-o'-li-a
From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

G623
Ἀπολλύων
Apolluōn
ap-ol-loo'-ohn
Active participle of G622; a destroyer (that is, Satan): - Apollyon.

G3
Ἀβαδδών
Abaddōn
ab-ad-dohn'
Of Hebrew origin [H11]; a destroying angel: - Abaddon.

Op if a guy shows up at your door claiming to be god and said guy says hey wanna be ruptured it would be in your best interest to say no thank you. I'm not an atheist so please don't think i'm being cynical.

Only credible if Vegas bookies start laying sick odds for November 9ers that are Christian.

Guys, this is important stuff so stop the trolling for just a second. I really need to know if it's the 29th or the 30th. I have a flight on September 29th and I don't want my pilot to be raptured out of the plane right in the middle of it. Should I reschedule my flight? That will involve some fees and if the rapture is on the 30th I don't want to spend the extra money for no reason.

Since no one can predict the time of the rapture it would probably be best to never fly again. Driving could be dicey too so walking everywhere would seem like the best option.

This reminds me of the Left Behind series.

Good seriex. I gotta find the fourth book asap bc each one always ends in a sick cliffhanger!

We're never gonna see our FTP monies then?

Oh good, I missed the last one.

Rapture is coming and this person spends time creating threads, don't you got something more important to do? Load up on porn , there is no porn in heaven!

UPDATE: Everything seems to be in motion, the UN vote to divide Israel will be on September 23rd now. The division of God's land is a big mistake (Zechariah 12:9).

This is also the date that a nasa satellite will be falling from the sky. But is it a satellite? Obama is ordered to the denver airport on the 27th along with the higher ups of nasa. Denver airport is known for having underground bunkers underneath it, which is a big conspiracy talked about by Jesse Ventura. Just a thought.

And did you see Obama's 9/11 speech? Did he declare himself God when he read Psalm 46? This could be the fulfillment of the prophecy known as the "abomination of desolation"? Will Obama mediate a 7 year peace treaty with Israel and Palestine on the 23rd? Scripture says this is the trigger for the Tribulation.

Here is obama's 2 min speech (at 1:28 in the video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFj4mv0rRQ

A video that analyzes obama's speech and what possibly happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svDmhqLAYlg

Time is running out folks. The end of this month will be either the Rapture or the Tribulation or both imo. Jesus is the only way to salvation. Repent

Right about now, Lederer and Ferguson and really hoping you're right.

Give it up, It says in the Bible that not even Jesus knows the time of the end of the world.

One more thing .....pssssst....there is no rapture.....its all an evangelist lie *

* and I'm a Christian

So if it doesn't happen next week will you agree that you're following the wrong religion?

What is your scripture for this claim of Jesus not knowing? Or your scripture discrediting the rapture for that matter.

What is your scripture for this claim of Jesus not knowing?

Matthew 24:36

Or your scripture discrediting the rapture for that matter.

Rapture appears no where in the Bible.

It seems that to justify your claim, you'd also have to reject that Jesus has access to the Father. You'd also have to reject that Jesus is God.

ESV Notes:

Matt. 24:36 In response to the disciples asking, “when will these things be?” (v. 3), Jesus says no one knows, not even … the Son, but the Father only. In his incarnate life, Jesus learned things as other human beings learn them (cf. Luke 2:52; Heb. 5:8). On the other hand, Jesus was also fully God, and, as God, he had infinite knowledge (cf. John 2:25; 16:30; 21:17). Here he is apparently speaking in terms of his human nature. This is similar to other statements about Jesus which could be true of his human nature only, and not of his divine nature (he grew and became strong, Luke 2:40; increased in stature, Luke 2:52; was about 30 years old, Luke 3:23; was weary, John 4:6; was thirsty, John 19:28; was hungry, Matt. 4:2; was crucified, 1 Cor. 2:8). Taking account of these verses, together with many verses that affirm Christ’s deity, the Council of Chalcedon in a.d. 451 affirmed that Christ was “perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man.” Yet it also affirmed that Jesus was “one Person and one Subsistence.” With regard to the properties of his human nature and his divine nature, the Chalcedonian Creed affirmed that Christ was to be “acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved.” That meant the properties of deity and the properties of humanity were both preserved. How Jesus could have limited knowledge and yet know all things is difficult, and much remains a mystery, for nobody else has ever been both God and man. One possibility is that Jesus regularly lived on the basis of his human knowledge but could at any time call to mind anything from his infinite knowledge.

Neither do a lot of words. Trinity for example isn't in the bible. Lack of a word doesn't render it invalid.

You can't take the Bible literally in one book and not in the others. If you take it literally in one book you must take it literally in every book. You can't pick and chose whats literal and whats not. So believe what you want.

May I ask which of your false dichotomies you find yourself in? 100% literal, or 0% literal? I'm just curious, because both are absurd.

Do you take a Sharpie to all of the parables Jesus tells?