Yes, I'll be using this.

Get off your ****in' high horse and stop insulting a group of people that have ignored your relentless trolling of this thread and have by and far indulged you in this conversation. All they want so that we can proceed is for you to properly ask the questions so that they can give you an answer. For instance, asdf has already answered some of the questions that you have asked and merely asked for you to elaborate on further questions so that he might answer those as well. Instead of a proper elaboration, you lob insults.

In reality, I think all of these questions will do very little to help motivate us to your point because this discussion will almost certainly devolve into a discussion regarding the relative wrongness from your perspective of our answers to your loaded questions. You probably believe that the answers to your irrelevant questions are pretty self-evident and will allow us to rather naturally transition to some point that is logically derived from those answers. I doubt this is likely, so rather than allow this conversation to devolve further into semantics and very basic disagreements, just state your point already so we can discuss it. Hell, just give us your own answers to your questions so that we can dissect the lines of deduction that lead you to this point as well. This is simply quicker than what you are attempting to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH...layer_embedded

Everyone must have patience. I'll start soon.

Question #10

It is possible to have more than one God?

Question #1

Choose the stronger/firmer assertion.

1. I know there is no God
2. I'm not sure if God exists

"I know there is no God." Asserts that God does not exist.
"I'm not sure if God exists." Asserts that God may or may not exist.

Answer 2. Is the stronger/firmer assertion. (2. Is possible to prove) (1. Is impossible to prove)

Anyone who asserts they are not sure if God exists, is in a stronger position.
Anyone who asserts they know that God does not exist, is in a weaker position.

Thinking that this question is asking if 1. as being "definite" and 2. as being "possible" is not what is being asked here.

Conclusion - An Atheist that knows there is no God, is not thinking logically and they should rethink their position.

Show me proof that it is impossible for a God to exist.

Yes. In fact, it's impossible for God to know if he's the "real" God. A 'bigger' God could be tricking this God into believing he's the alpha and omega.

Answer 1 is the stronger/firmer assertion, but that doesn't mean it's as reasonable as answer 2. (This is using the correct definition of knowledge, and not your convoluted definition)

Don't get your definitions wrong. Remember, you said belief and knowledge are the same thing.

Show me proof that it's impossible for a distant solar system to be made of frozen yogurt.

So we're right back at the beginning again, how surprising.

I think he's going back, one by one, and giving the "answers" to the questions he gave out earlier. Still not seeing where this is going.

yes

I agree with your conclusions, but not for the convoluted way you got there with your quiz.

You're also confusing the strength of the statement (which is based on the structure of the statement, not the accuracy of the statement) with the reasonableness of the statement.

But this shows why its better to just go straight to discussing your point rather than going through some half thought out quiz.

This still has nothing to do with what we were discussing leading up to the quiz, which was about agnosticism and atheism and theism in general.

I don't want to get into a battle of words. As a well respected poster on 2+2 so eloquently, put it...

This thinking will go a long way in keeping an open mind in future discussions.

The conclusion is that it is logical to say that it is possible for a God to exist. Any more discussion, then goes well beyond the scope of this discussion and serves to confuse the conclusion, unless you have proof that a God does not exist.

The vast majority of atheists on this forum (myself included) will say that it is possible for a god to exist. In fact, I doubt you've seen more than one or two (if that) say otherwise. I don't think the concept of a god is falsifiable. It can be demonstrated but never disproven as one can never exclude the possibility of a god who created the universe and then stepped back and never interfered again.

My goal here is to make an Atheist who thinks, that a God is impossible to exist, to think about all options available to them. People will have to make up their own mind and should come to the conclusion that anything is possible, until it is proved, that it is not possible. My position is too strong.

The meaning of words can be confusing...

See post - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=851

I honestly doubt anyone here puts the possibilty of a god existing at 0% so i think your goal doesnt make much sense

This doesnt make us any less of an atheist. We believe there is no god. If you ask us whether a god exists or can exist however, our answer most times will be "i dont know"