the devil got the idea to rebel because god likes to give out some of his knowledge and power to beings for free out of love

its not just ideas that randomly pop into their heads

these are beings that are granted knowledge in however the heaven dimension works

we dont have all the answers about this

If one of the consequences of being "common use" is suffering or punishment (and the potter knows this), then it is morally reprehensible for the potter to make them.

No, they didn't know. That's the whole point, it's the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It's right there in the title for gosh sakes.

Again, having free will is not mutually exclusive with it being in your character to not sin. Just as it is not in my character (and most everyone's) to not [insert over the top, horrible act], God could of made it in everyone's character to not sin, while still retaining our free will.

Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us

uhhhh
god blatantly tells them do not eat from the tree so they obviously had some type of mechanism

from an evolutionary worldview i can see why you would think that

Agreed.

But in light of the fact that we don't have all the answers as to how God could've created a being with the potential of rebellion... I think it's better to give the questioning outsiders (asdf here) their credit.

That is a puzzle that I cannot fully understand, at least from the limited Biblical knowledge given.

But I'm with you on the potter/clay metaphor. That series of chapters in Romans is one of my favorite lines of reasoning, and I'm quite glad that Paul decided to tackle the subject instead of avoid it. That passage is also one of the chief reasons I don't think that the Biblical God is omnibenevolent, at least according to the standard RGT definition of the word.

Cool, so a child being [insert horrible act] as a direct result of the fall is not worthy of your consideration when compared to this 'glory'. Good to know.

And what of those that don't reach this glory?

Yes, they had a mechanism to follow instructions, but they didn't know it was "bad" or "sinful" to not follow them. One more time: tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It has nothing to do with an evolutionary worldview. It's a simple logical inference. You're welcome to try to disprove it.

youre looking at it the wrong way

you see something and directly point say "gods the problem!"

i see gods kingdom as being like the earth where it operates on laws and events that take place... god being the "king" where you are accountable to him not the other way around

satan really does have some tangible "Power" to the point where the angels had to fight a war against him... who knows why god couldnt just kill them all instantly???

dont go thinking god is somehow not good when there is potentially a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes

you and this other guy are having fantasy visions of something that just isnt how the heavens operate and we have no way of knowing what kind of dynamic exists to where there would need to be for example a chariot of fire and horses riding around up there... like WHY?

absurd questions leads to a jump to conclusion

Saying we dont know why there's evil isnt the same as saying we dont recognise it. There's no logical problem with a theist claiming to know right from wrong without being able to account for why he has to make the choice in the first place (although I, for one, found it quite unsettling).

Well, well, well. We just found out which attribute nooberftw is giving up.

When did I say that???
There could be infinite undefined reasons why god does what he does or is reluctant. I dont understand that dimension.

I simply said that things HAPPEN in that dimension and you have to get over yourself.

There isnt a little box with infinite euphoria and no responsibility that you can run to.

You said that when you chose "couldn't" over "wouldn't" when describing God's actions.

It could be...if God is omnipotent and wanted it to be.

Not if euphoria necessarily depends on having responsibility.

(He said, helpfully).

if hes omnipotent he can also restrain himself
it doesnt say that in the bible though

rather he sends a delusion because he doesnt want anything to do with the unrighteous

are you going to say unrighteousness is righteousness then you are following satan

And that would fall under "wouldn't" and not "couldn't".

Wait, what? God is deluding us?

Huh?

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come on now...

this is why atheism breaks down to nihilism always at the end of the day.

anything i say will be BAD BAD BAD BAD unless its about committing suicide

Heh. I think you skipped some steps there..

What in the world is going on? I inquired about your earlier statements because I couldn't make heads or tails out of them, and you respond with this? Listen, if you don't feel you can adequately answer the questions, then fine, just say so. But don't pretend there's a problem on my end.

And I never alluded to any of your conclusions, so please don't put words in my mouth.

sorry lol

but ya exactly what i said

anyways what were we talking about

You were explaining how a God with the three attributes listed in the OP is consistent with a world brimming with evil. Alternatively, you could just state which of the three attributes God doesn't possess (and then the problem of evil is no longer a problem).

oh right

fall of man

man/satan did it

god let it happen

god is ok with that because he hates unrighteousness

this is assuming man has free will and a soul which the evolutionary worldview doesnt take into account

This is just a restating of the order of events in the Bible, and isn't an argument against the problem of evil. Hopefully you see that.

Adam and Eve chose, of their own free will, to disobey God and eat the forbidden fruit

The motivation for the tree was to see if they would obey god

And again—for the thousandth time—God could of made it in Adam & Eve's character to not disobey...and this would not affect that they have free will. For a parallel, God has free will, but it is in his character to not sin. God could of made us likewise.

Where do you get this "character" word from?
They have souls and its not evolutionary.
When I think of a soul I dont think of some character trait chart like youre doing. Even if it was like that it wouldnt be free will to favor 1 trait.

It has nothing to do with evolution. It's from a moral argument that *basically* says that which is good is in line with God's character.

Again, this just isn't true. Does God have free will? Yes. Will God ever commit sin? No. Why? Well, it's in his character not to sin.

....the same could of been true of us.

ok i agree
whats wrong with that

well thats the beginning of all evil when man wanted to become "like god" like you are implying just so you know

The Bible tells us He cannot lie (Hebrews 6:18; Titus 1:2). He cannot deny Himself (2 Tim. 2:13). God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone with evil (James 1:13).