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02-26-2011, 03:45 PM
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journeyman
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
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You mock what you don't know and refuse to understand.
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02-26-2011, 03:48 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by UGotStacked
In the days of the Old Testament, Jewish people lived in extreme poverty. They had almost nothing in terms of clothing, money, and material objects. They also were nomadic. They were fleeing slavery and had no where to farm or raise stock. They also had very little food. The biggest sacrifice they could make is to sacrifice a lamb (or other animal), which would have fed hundreds of people, probably for days. It had absolutely nothing to do with the killing of the animal itself. It was about them sacrificing their food source for God. In those days, it was a way for them to understand the divine grace of God.
People in those days had no concept of giving in order to receive. It was all about survival. Sacrificing their food source opened up their understanding. Man has now evolved and sacrificing an animal now would not mean what it did in those days.
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But if I burn my expensive Ferrari will god like me?
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02-26-2011, 03:49 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by UGotStacked
You mock what you don't know and refuse to understand.
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It is called superstition.
Has God or Jesus ever spoken to you?
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02-26-2011, 03:55 PM
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Cooler than Sammy Hagar
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by UGotStacked
It is all real, it's whether you choose to see all of it or just a part of it.
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Calling it a "choice" is disingenuous.
Regardless of the truth or falsehood of religious assertions, the world around us can be a deceptive place, and we are all deceived on a regular basis. We can't just "choose not to be."
This is like saying the victim of a theft chose to be stolen from because he didn't have the right security precautions.
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02-26-2011, 04:08 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by Brons
But if I burn my expensive Ferrari will god like me?
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No, that would be a complete waste. Your relationship with God is between you and Him. I can't tell you whether he'll like you or not. I can tell you that (if the Ferrari means a lot to you) if you were to sell the Ferrari then use the money for good, that would be considered a modern day sacrifice.
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02-26-2011, 04:08 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Prayer
Calling it a "choice" is an attempt to elevate a preposterous assertion to the same likelihood as a coin flip.
Last edited by VP$IP; 02-26-2011 at 04:13 PM.
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02-26-2011, 04:28 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
It is called superstition.
Has God or Jesus ever spoken to you?
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Not in the sense in which you would understand but God speaks to me everyday.
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Originally Posted by madnak
Calling it a "choice" is disingenuous.
Regardless of the truth or falsehood of religious assertions, the world around us can be a deceptive place, and we are all deceived on a regular basis. We can't just "choose not to be."
This is like saying the victim of a theft chose to be stolen from because he didn't have the right security precautions.
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I can understand how you can come to this assumption but I can assure you that the true faithful of God are rarely deceived and when they are, they are brought back to the Truth through prayer, good works and sacrifice.
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02-26-2011, 04:42 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by UGotStacked
Not in the sense in which you would understand but God speaks to me everyday.
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That sounds like a "no".
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02-26-2011, 04:53 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Re: Prayer
Didn't read too thoroughly, but OBVIOUSLY studies measuring the effect of prayer are invalid because God doesn't intervene when he knows he's being measured, because that would give it away.
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02-26-2011, 04:58 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Prayer
And apparently God is smart enough to not intervene whenever he senses that statisticians will attempt to look for evidence decades and centuries later.
How can we ever hope to outsmart him?
Curses! Foiled again.
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02-26-2011, 05:13 PM
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Cooler than Sammy Hagar
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by UGotStacked
I can understand how you can come to this assumption but I can assure you that the true faithful of God are rarely deceived and when they are, they are brought back to the Truth through prayer, good works and sacrifice.
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And if I never become a true faithful of God, because I've been deceived?
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02-26-2011, 06:15 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by madnak
And if I never become a true faithful of God, because I've been deceived?
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This is strictly based on my opinion, through my own understanding and not on any specific religion. I believe the majority of the people in today's modern day world have had an opportunity at some point in their lives to get closer to God, if they so wished. Yet, there may be a small percentage of people who have never had that opportunity. Now I don't mean people living in any 1st world country, where there is an ample amount of information, groups, religions, etc...I mean the few that are in some small village in the middle of nowhere. Usually, those people are living very poor, simple lives. In my opinion, those people are already close to God without ever knowing it. Their sins would be easily forgiven once it is their time.
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02-26-2011, 06:27 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by UGotStacked
This is strictly based on my opinion, through my own understanding and not on any specific religion. I believe the majority of the people in today's modern day world have had an opportunity at some point in their lives to get closer to God, if they so wished. Yet, there may be a small percentage of people who have never had that opportunity. Now I don't mean people living in any 1st world country, where there is an ample amount of information, groups, religions, etc...I mean the few that are in some small village in the middle of nowhere. Usually, those people are living very poor, simple lives. In my opinion, those people are already close to God without ever knowing it. Their sins would be easily forgiven once it is their time.
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Forgiven?
Not forgiven?
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02-26-2011, 07:18 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 295
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Re: Prayer
According to pokertracker, when I pray for a suckout on the river as opposed to not praying for a suckout, I get it 86% of the time. My sample size is minimal (roughly 3 billion hands played) but I think this proves there is a God that is definitely watching me play a lot of cards.
Hallelujah!!!!!!!
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02-26-2011, 08:30 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: Prayer
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Forgiven?
Not forgiven?
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Maybe both, maybe neither.
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