This isn't about the wisdom or lack of wisdom of Mark Twain.

Try again, wise one. It's better if you see it on your own.

Not interested, thanks.

I already made my point.

I don't expect it to be accepted. It is what it is.

Why would we challenge your wisdom now. I for one won't. I think it only interesting to catalog those whose wisdom, such as it is, yours now exceeds.

I humbly accept your correction on this, but I will assume for the sake of argument that if one has a personal belief and relationship with Jesus, then intellect is a non-factor to the wisdom provided by this infusion of faith.

Now again, chime in where you disagree Splendour. Thanks.

Splendour will now be considered wiser than -

David Hume
Noam Chomsky
Albert Camus
Plato / Socrates
August Comte
Friedrich Nietzsche
Karl Popper
Bertrand Russell
George Orwell
Thomas Edison
Stephen Jay Gould
Carl Sagan
Pierre-Simon Laplace
Pavlov
Pauling and
Leakey among scads of others.

I'm not claiming to be the wisest person on the planet. I'm claiming access to the wisest source.

You don't have to be famous to be wise.

You put all those people listed above on a pedestal but only God's suppose to be on a pedestal and some of those people probably didn't realize that.

Imo you'll always find the wisest people in the world praising God.

If you're not the wisest person, how do you know which is the wisest source?

How did you form this opinion?

This time we live in a lot of people forget God. How can they not with all the distractions, pleasures and education trying to compete with Him and claim knowledge they don't have.

People are weak and sometimes they like being deceived. After a while you can't even talk sense to them.

Aren't they trapped in a net of their own devising? Would they have ever gotten in the net if they had heeded God in His Word?

So the bible is God's Word and the "wisest source" because the bible says so? Or is God/The Holy Spirit telling you some other way that his wisdom is in the bible?

There's lots of ways to know. Some are through realizations and some are through bible scholarship. You can compare some of the things said in the bible to real life and know it is dead on.

Even the persistency of the bible and the number of followers it has managed to garner for thousands of years ought to tell you people find all kinds of significance in it.

It's a perennial classic and tons of people that practice what it says swear by it.

Not everybody practices though.

Interesting, thanks.

Matthew 7:1-2

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.


James 4:6

But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

Arguing with Splendour is like herding cats..

Actually grants get awarded to all kinds of students, even atheists, hindus and satanists. God had nothing to do with you getting grants, but rather legislation and your socio-economic status (and your willingness to try in the first place).

You can convince yourself all you want that god played a role, but given the facts that amounts to something like an ostrich burying it's head in the sand, which coincidentally is also a myth.

i think that as a universe creator, the christian god has done a comically bad job. you really have to wonder what he was thinking. the guy has gone to so much trouble, and for what?

why would he think that the physical realm needs to exist in the first place? why wouldn't he just start us off in heaven and then cast people to hell when they did something wrong? that god would definitely get my worship. i would clean between his toes with my toothbrush. and i wouldn't work on a sunday, that's for damn sure.

but instead, he puts us on this insane earth, in a universe which is too big for us to ever fully explore, and next to a star which will expand and turn the earth into space dust within 5 billion years. god can not be serious. why is he wasting our time like this. 14 billion years and counting.

I heard this tonight and it blew me away. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

John 14:6, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mystic version: I am is the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by I am.

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I am (fill in the blank).

We fill in that blank many ways: with christian, sinner, atheist, mystic, stubborn, open-minded, an addict, etc. etc. But, what we fill in that blank with, is just an illusionary cloak that our I am wears. (cloak aka self, our persona).

We come to the Father through our I am, not the cloaks that we put upon our I am. And it's an internal way of awakening and awareness; not an external way of reformed actions or intellectual belief.

I agreed with Jeremiah long before I noticed this particular verse.

Chapter 10, Book of Jeremiah (CEV)

23 I know, LORD, that we humans
are not in control
of our own lives.

ORLY?

Except the wisest and smartest people in the world you mean? Like these people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s47ArcQL-XQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gt4WSK_NlQ

In before "these people aren't wise, just book smart" The #3 definition should put an end to that nonsense very quickly.

wise
1    [wahyz] Show IPA adjective, wis·er, wis·est, verb, wised, wis·ing.
adjective

1.
having the power of discerning and judging properly as to what is true or right; possessing discernment, judgment, or discretion.
2.
characterized by or showing such power; judicious or prudent: a wise decision.
3.
possessed of or characterized by scholarly knowledge or learning; learned; erudite: wise in the law.

34 and 39 minute videos? No, I don't think I'll be watching anything that long but thanks for the offer.

I'm phasing out both poker and posting.

Hmmm....interesting number in bible numerology: 16,222.

Cliffnotes: 100 of the top scholars (including Nobel Laureates) all pretty much rejecting the idea of a personal God and/or a creator of the universe as we know it.

Therefore, I am debunking your obnoxious claim that the wisest people have some sort of belief in God.

It's ok though, if I were you I wouldn't want to hear/watch it either.

Didn't I already make a distinction between intelligence and wisdom?

Prudence is a part of wisdom. But not necessarily a part of being intelligent.

I think all those intelligent people may have said something imprudent.

But that's ok. God likes being given the very worst odds then proving himself.

Look at Gideon:

God informed Gideon that the men he had gathered were too many – with so many men, there would be reason for the Israelites to claim the victory as their own instead of acknowledging that God had saved them. God first instructed Gideon to send home those men who were afraid. Gideon then allowed any man who wanted to leave, to leave; 22,000 men returned home and 10,000 remained. Yet the number was still too many, according to God:
4But the Lord said to Gideon, "There are still too many men. Take them down to the water, and I will sift them for you there. If I say, 'This one shall go with you, he shall go; but if I say, this one shall not go with you, he shall not go." 5 So Gideon took the men down to the water. There the Lord told him, "Separate those who lap the water with their tongues like a dog from those who kneel down to drink." 6Three hundred men lapped with their hands to their mouths. All the rest got down on their knees to drink. 7 The Lord said to Gideon, "With the 300 men that lapped I will save you and give the Midianites into your hands. Let all the other men go, each to his own place.(Judges 7:4–7, NIV Bible)
During the night God instructed Gideon to approach the Midianite camp. Gideon overheard a Midianite man tell a friend of a dream in which God had given the Midianites over to Gideon. Gideon worshiped God for His encouragement and revelation. Gideon returned to the Israelite camp and gave each of his men a trumpet (shofar)[1] and a clay jar with a torch hidden inside. Divided into three companies, Gideon and the three hundred marched on the enemy camp.
17"Watch me," he told them. "Follow my lead. When I get to the edge of the camp, do exactly as I do. 18When I and all who are with me blow our trumpets, then from all around the camp blow yours and shout, 'For the Lord and for Gideon.' " .... 20The three companies blew the trumpets and smashed the jars. Grasping the torches in their left hands and holding in their right hands the trumpets they were to blow, they shouted, "A sword for the Lord and Gideon!" 21While each man held his position around the camp, all the Midianites ran, crying out as they fled. 22When the three hundred trumpets sounded, the Lord caused the men throughout the camp to turn on each other with their swords. (Judges 7:17–22, NIV Bible)

Oh another interesting bible number: 16,223....time to skedaddle and let this 2+2 account die....

no you aren't, you are a liar. You have said this 10 times but you have no self control and are just plain lying about this.

Many more times then 10. More like 10 times a year for the last 7 or 8 years.

The wisest people are obviously the people who agree with her opinions. Everybody needs to get that through their heads.

I think Attenborough's the best...

Think that's a pretty wise thing to say, and refute's the supposed wisdom of those preaching to a higher power with complete ignorance

I wrote a poem. Here it is.

The Life of John Doe

John went off to college and said, I am a college student.
John had some jobs in college and said, I am a cook, I am a cashier.
John played sports at college and said, I am a basketball player.
John finished college and said, I am a college graduate.

John got a job and said, I am a high school teacher.
John got married and said, I am a husband.
John got politically active and said, I am a Democrat.

John found religion and said, I am a sinner.
John believed and said, I am a Christian.

John said, I am these things.

But,

One day, John realized he didn't play basketball anymore.
Nor was he a cashier, a cook or a college student.
He works as an accountant, is divorced and votes Republican.
He hasn't been to church in a few years.

John said, Am I these things I said I was?
Or, are these just like coats that I put on and take off?
What remains when all these cloaks are taken off?

These things are not me, that I take as my identity!
And from the ground of his being, John simply said,

I am.

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