i at first wanted to get rid of splendour but honestly now i like reading her posts and ones similar. it legit makes me feel better about myself in a small way

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Came across of this quote on Friendly Atheist website... just wanted to share it...

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” — Quote by Marcus Aurelius, Roman emperor (26 April, 121 – 17 March, 180).

This offended me more as a music fan than an athiest but it deals with religion kinda so what the hell?

Ceelo green just sung "Imagine" as the ball dropped.

He changed the lyric to "and all religions too"

And I'm like...FU. That isn't your song, leave it alone. If they are going to force you to make a dramatic change to the song, then don't sing it.

What happened to that rebellious spirit rappers were supposed to have anyway?

Ceelo is probably religious, and changed it himself.
What did he change it to?

+1, one of the better quotes about life and god..

Yeah, be rebellious and stick strictly to the lyrics given to you. Don't try to do anything to make the cover your own -- rebel!

oh cmon. He didnt make anything his own. I would bet a sizable amount of money thats a network decision so as not to alienate anyone.

In any event... if you are going to change the message that drastically, may as well just sing your own song.

How is changing one lyric "making something your own" anyway. Song was sung in the exact same style and cadence with the same tone as the original

I didn't listen to the song and I don't even know the words. I just found it odd to tell someone to be a rebel by copying someone else's work precisely.

well rebellious in the sense of not kow towing to the network....

Yeah the idea of rebelling has to be implanted in you.

Look at the early communist leaders. All they did initially was implant the idea of rebellion in people. They fomented rebellion and they were ruthless in their pursuit of spreading it.

Rebellion is not a Judaic or Christian idea.

Jews and Christian religions tend to stress obedience in adversity.

That's why it's not far fetched to think Marx was influenced by the devil and he in turn implanted his rebellious ideas on the rest of the world.

An atheist could be easier to plant a rebellious idea on than a theist because God specifically tells theists in the OT to obey authorities because they are God given and in the NT he tells people not to be lawless.

I just wanted to re-post this so you can consider it.

Ideas are like seeds...they can be intentionally spread before they implant.

Quote from above:

Yeah the idea of rebelling has to be implanted in you.

Look at the early communist leaders. All they did initially was implant the idea of rebellion in people. They fomented rebellion and they were ruthless in their pursuit of spreading it.

Rebellion is not a Judaic or Christian idea.

Jews and Christian religions tend to stress obedience in adversity.

That's why it's not far fetched to think Marx was influenced by the devil and he in turn implanted his rebellious ideas on the rest of the world.

An atheist could be easier to plant a rebellious idea on than a theist because God specifically tells theists in the OT to obey authorities because they are God given and in the NT he tells people not to be lawless.

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Then again I could be wrong about that because Americans revolted against Britain.

So revolution could be good or bad.

That's why the bible says to examine the fruit.

The fruits always tell you what kind of seed something is from: devilish or godly.

Since one of the fruits of the communists in the U.S.S.R. was 21 million dead theists we can conclude that the seed of Marxist Communism was devilish.

"You'll know the tree by its' fruits." Never a truer saying. Marxist Communism was the dead tree and it bore a lot of dead fruit.

Hank Williams:

I Saw the Light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZsO5_CL6DQ

The problem here is that our assumptions about how to interpret history differ too much for us to have a useful conversation about Marxism. I don't believe in "spiritual warfare" or the operation of a devil in history, so when you ascribe the effects of Marx's ideas as coming from a devil, there isn't much for me to say in response. It is not even worth me saying that I think you are wrong because my thinking so is just based on differing presuppositions rather than anything particular to Marx or the effects of communism in history.

Well we'll leave it at that then. I think there are so many strange things in history that only spiritual warfare could account for them. But you usually sound looney when you point them out.

You could read up on Hitler's connections though. Dietrich Eckhart (who Hitler dedicated Mein Kampf to) and Himmler were known occultists and some of Hitler's associates were members of the Thule Society.

Hitler also rewrote the bible:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europ...3892-hitler-0/

Doesnt bode well for the "Nazis are atheists" argument, really.

I never made that argument. But Nazis were never traditional Christians. Evangelism and white supremacy are diametrically opposed to one another.

Hitler suffered from a terrible childhood and post traumatic stress disorder from his participation in WWI. It wouldn't be that hard to screw him up further and implant his mind with a lot of crazy ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_occultism

I don't take pravda.ru articles seriously, they have been known to write a lot of nonsense...

Splendour, care to provide some actual evidence on the claim from reliable sources?

If he did then as Bunny said above, it doesn't make him very atheists does it... lol

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...288687,00.html
Hitler's attempt to rewrite Bible

"Fans angry that Cee Lo changed 'Imagine' lyrics"

http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_...yentertainment

oh man, John would have been pissed off... he changed it to "Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too," Green instead sang, "Nothing to kill or die for, and all religion's true."

An then this idiot tweeted..

"Yo I meant no disrespect by changing the lyric guys! I was trying to say a world were u could believe what u wanted that's all."

How can all religions be true?? lol... holy **** people are dumb...

Sadly, I dont think that's true. I think they're independent (in my experience there are bigotted Evangelists and bigotted atheists).

I don't think they're independent. I think it just illustrates the small mind that tries to control everything phenomenon. Lots of people are control freaks and mess up the boundaries between people or they mess the boundaries up by displaying angry tempers.

In John 3:16 when it says God so loved the world then that is the true boundary: the world.

Of course, people with little minds will try to control things they always do. Most control freaks are control freaks because they have a hidden fear of losing control. People with little minds think the world revolves around them but Jesus Christ came to break the mental bonds of the little minds imo. Breaking bonds can be slow work though. One step at a time as the control freak rears his little frightened head every step of the way.

I think white supremacists are more like paranoids than control freaks.

You could have a point. I find that people that try to control other people seem to think in fixed stereotypes though. It's like their minds are frozen. If you challenge them on a point they are fixated on they usually go gonzo on you. I've known several anger management challenged people and control freaks personally. If you're really anal when you study them you will see there's usually a boundary problem where they don't respect the personhood of the other person enough. I really think it's a satanic personality trait.

Oh I just remembered supremacists are most likely Xenophobes. It's a form of mental illness really and the cause isn't religion. They just use religion as an excuse to indulge their insanity.

Look at Hitler. He invented his own religion so he could indulge his. Not all religious people are crazy though contrary to popular atheist theory from people like Richard Dawkins.

Oh and the confidence that atheists display in their own rationalism I find staggering. Of all these so called rationalists how many are using reason to cover insanity? Stalin was a very intelligent atheist but he was a sociopath. He was so intelligent he used to keep an interpreter and pretend not to speak English just so he'd have more time to formulate replies. You can be intelligent and insane. Intelligence is no guarantee against insanity but the smarter you are the more likely you might be to do something about it so long as you're not too narcissistic. Narcissisitic people can never admit their own infirmities even to fix them. I read somewheres that Mao was a narcissist and I'm willing to bet most of these dictators receiving adulation like they are national gods are on the narcissistic side of the spectrum in their personalities.

You might like reading this page bunny. Apparently other people have noticed how narcissistic some world leaders are. Mao and Lenin and Stalin had busts of themselves all over the place.

Communism and Narcissism:
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i...p/t-16505.html