Read up on the biblical concept of the Jubilee. God always has an appointed date to set people free. He never intended people for permanent slavery.

Some entities have better internal rules than any outside laws.

Jesus Christ said "esteem everyone better than yourself."

When you're busy fighting for your rights how much esteem are you giving to people?

I don't care what the bible says or what Jesus supposedly said, as there is no reason to believe that there is anything divine or special about them. Throwing around bible verses and Jesus quotes when you have no other explanation for yourself is usually the sign of defeat for a theist.

I won the argument because it is unassailable and that is God's wisdom: the truth of it is unassailable.

Don't you think everyone treating everyone better than himself is the definition of earthly paradise in action?

There's no finer condition a person can exist in then being esteemed as better than someone else.

More people should do it and we wouldn't have people fighting for their rights.

There would be no reason at all for anyone to break the peace.

Aren't terrorists the people who never esteem anyone as better than themselves? Don't they steal everyone else's peace?

You are right, I see the mistake is now mine. For ever thinking you were actually interested in an open, honest, intellectual conversation. Your mindless babbling and notion that any idea is "unassailable" make that impossible. Two last thoughts:

1. "More people should do it and we wouldn't have people fighting for their rights"

Hmm, I never knew people fighting for their rights was a problem? But I guess that agrees with the biblical stories, that women should stay silent in church and gays should be killed, and children who disobey their parents stoned.


2. "Aren't terrorists the people who never esteem anyone as better than themselves? Don't they steal everyone else's peace?"

No. Terrorists are the idiots who esteem their god above themselves, that they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice of their life in order to carry out what they perceive as their gods bidding. They are no different than yourself, except their gods message is more violent than your gods (at least currently. See: Old Testament) You are both the same in the fact that you both make unjustified assertions and claims that you cannot support with evidence, yet you gleefully cling to them, blissfully proud of your ignorance and unwillingness to open your mind or change your position.

Put her on ignore. Your forum experience will improve, trust me.

I see you only accept the view that all theists are literal fundamentalists.

Since that's your view your mind is narrow.

Once again, if people could be taught to treat you better why do you need to fight for rights?

The original rights fighters were the Quakers. Look 'em up. They protested slavery, feminine inequality, etc.

The Quakers must have been one of the better generations of people that God has ever produced.

Don't raise another argument without answering the question.

Yeah, sign, it's basically come to that point. I just hope no one else here is taking her seriously. Obviously she won't change her mind, but I do worry about those people on the fence who are witnessing from the sidelines, who legitimately have questions and are curious and interested in this sort of thing.

By all means. Nobody should please God by getting upright mentally and spiritually.

Just physically like in evolution.

Just tell them that she isn't worth listening to as well. Just literally every time you are in a thread and see the "Post not shown b/c Splendour is on ignore" reply next and make up a public service announcement saying if you're interested in intelligent conversation don't engage her.

If everyone consistently just posts this after she posts and everyone gets onto others for responding to her then she will maybe leave.

Yeah because atheist group solidarity is more important than arriving at the truth.

You can explain everything by looking to evolution and identifying with apes rather than God.

Nevermind that it's backward looking instead of spiritually progressive.

gskowal: Was atheism the cause of 20th century atrocities? (response to the nonsense of the above article" Answering Atheist’s Arguments" of DINESH D’SOUZA)

http://makingmyway.org//files/Was%20...atrocities.pdf

"I have frequently challenged believers to produce a single professional historian who agrees with their thesis, but not one has been able. Could the historical revisionism be another example of their long-practiced art of pious fraud?"
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I haven't searched that hard for a historian but the sociology professor Froese in the RGT article thread wasn't good enough?

Also the observation that both forms of communism, Soviet and Chinese, sprang from the minds of atheists isn't enough?

Apparently in your opinion acts only relate to the minds of theists but not to atheists? An atheist can do no wrong. Amirite???

Lenin on his deathbed:

"I committed a great error. My nightmare is to have the feeling that I’m lost in an ocean of blood from the innumerable victims. It is too late to return. To save our country, Russia, we would have needed men like Francis of Assisi. With ten men like him we would have saved Russia."

+1. I've been reluctant to ever put someone on ignore, but I've recently decided to put a couple of posters on ignore and things are much better now.

Serenity now.

Yes this conversation is over because im not coming back to this thread. Ive made my point. The bible is our evidence. Eye witness accounts are our evidence. Scroll records are our evidence. Supportive non-biblical historical records are our evidence. These are all data. The science of archaeology uses data to reconstruct. History uses the same data to reconstruct the past. So wtf do you mean unsupported by evidence?

Eye witness accounts? Please show me evidence of eyewitness accounts in the Bible? The bible cannot be evidence of itself...

Non-biblical evidence? Ok that sounds good, like what? Do you know how many non-biblical, contemporary sources mention Jesus?

Saying the evidence exists does not make it so. Please provide evidence, then we have a discussion...

Paul's accounts are eye witness accounts.

Paul had an encounter with Jesus Christ personally on the Road to Damascus. It was such a bright encounter it blinded him. Rather like God gave Saul cataracts if you ask me. Later on God touches Saul through Ananias and the fish scales fall from Saul's eyes and he turns into Paul.

Hey guys should probably stop replying to teebeedee too. It is Splendour. And it has also said it was leaving and came back with the same lack of self control that Splendour has.

IS this a definite confirm?

It is close enough that I don't think it matters if we confirm it, for all intents and purposes they are the same. Circular logic that points everything back to the Bible as being the answer to everything, and constantly saying they are done/quitting then coming back to tell everyone that atheists have no self control.

+1 brother, +1

As an atheist, I had to be honest with myself. I have a limited amount of time in life, and it's better to block people who have nothing to offer. These people are effectively leeches detracting from my grandness.

If it isn't her, it's someone who is trolling the forum by posting in her style. I don't really care which case it is, I have them both on ignore.

teebeedee isn't me.

If you don't know you shouldn't be making authoritative statements.

<snort> No it is not.

Apparently the atheists have some sort of group control thing of atheist thinking they like to observe on here.

Because Schwallie is making false statements authoritatively.

I'd be scared to be a part of this atheist group. They're partisanship makes them far too authoritarian imo.

They can't even tolerate free speech on here and if they won't tolerate free speech they most likely don't have any respect for free thinking either.

Imagine allowing a group to control your thinking when you have your eternal life at stake.

Would you allow the group to control you when it comes to your livelihood?

madnak remarked before leaving this forum that he thought the IQ level of atheists was declining on here.

Do you let groups control your poker decisions? Pathetic.