The accusation of misogyny isn't quite one of whether the concern was genuine or not. For instance, would that same genuine concern being offered after similar posts from a male poster? We can be entirely genuine and still adhere to misogynistic patterns like worrying about the emotional states of women more than we worry about the emotional states of men.

This post is to be read purely as making a point about framing on accusations of mysogyny, it isn't an accusation about neeeel at all.

Good point.

I cant answer for him. But even if he wouldn't show the same concern for a man it seems like i minor crime for the post he got considering it was not meant with malice. It was an ok post just to the wrong persons.


Wonder if Lily would want men to show more concern for women's welfare then their fellow men...

Free Lily!

Is 'hysterical' a word that only / usually describes females?
Isn't that the sexist position to hold?

ye, that is a good point uke. I like to think that if it had been a male who seemed to be losing their grip, I would post the same way, but its possible that I wouldnt.

Pretty sure that constitutes and ip ban, no?

Hysteria has historically been exclusively female. It's derived from the Greek word for uterus.

ya this is obvious at worst a very trivial thing if it is even a thing at all (which I suspect...her posting was certainly strange enough to think the comment would be made regardless of gender). However, I want to stress that being done without malice is a bad framing as well. The reason is that most of the negative consequences of gender roles that occur are in that nonmalice no intentional category.

For instance, overt sexism where someone says "I'm not hiring her because she is a women and women are irrational when PMSing" or whatever is quite a bit rarer than someone who nonetheless doesn't hire a woman because their mental models don't tend to highlight positive work attributes as quickly and easily as for men. They don't maliciously not hire them, but come off less impressed in interviews and so forth and so don't hire them. There are all kinds of studies showing these kind of biases...and they exist for race and looks too.

Showing more empathy towards a female feelings on an Internet forum is trivial, indeed. But one can likewise not promote a women because of worries she can't handle the stress that one wouldn't think for a man of similar position. It isn't malicious, it isn't intnetional, but it still happens and is worth keeping in the back of ones mind.

So sexist as if a dictionary definition told everything.

Males come out of women's uteruses and are susceptible to conditioning while in utero.

You've never seen a hysterical man?

I see them in movies all the time....and acting is a depiction of reality as well as illusion.

Jumping to the wrong conclusions can be caused by personifying false assumptions and stating them as if they were fact.

Oh you mean like when men act like women?

I myself was just being sarcastic. I think it is of course fine and good to be sincere. It is ironic that being sincere and caring can still get you into trouble because society is jaded.

No when men are getting emotional out of fear of situations they can't control.

I saw a man freeze once from a fear of height....He got quiet as a deer caught in a headlight though....he didn't shout.

But some men can shout hysterically from laughter or fear....

Probably any emotion can overcome you.

It is just men are told by society not to show certain ones....it doesn't mean they don't feel them....I suspect men are more emotional than women....they don't live as long as women and that could be from all that emotion suppression society forces on them.

I understand sexism and its consequences can be non malicious. Only thought thats where Doggg was coming form since she has been at the end of those type of attacks.

But yeah good post and good points.

One of these days I've got to read A.W. Tozer's "I Talk Back to the Devil"....

Tozer has such beautiful purity in everything he writes....you used to be able to find him online for free....

I think Splendour has been subjected to sexist comments in the past (I don't remember by whom), but Doggg was making the accusation against what was very unlikely to be an actual case, and even displaying hidden sexism within the accusation.

Um pretty sure his sexism was intended. The hysterical use was used by him to make a point. At least thats how i read it.

I think when the sexism is a result of non malicious intent it should be called sexism rather than misogyny which seems to incorporate hared of women in its definition

sure, that's fair. A lot of the terms we have are really bad. Like homophobia...nobody is literally afraid of gays. But it is the catch all terms for generic animus against gays. I think misogyny tends these days more towards teh generic catch all term than specifically the "hatred" definition, but sure using sexism is perfectly good here.

I agree with the substance of your posts entirely, I just think it's worth nitting it up a little because it's important to address the sexism you point to and the charge of misogyny may be easier to defend against.

On another note goodbye Terry Pratchett.

It's one of the worst quotes I've ever heard.

The reason one seeks is to know....however, you keep seeking to know more fully.

So the person you quoted is deceived.

I posted on the books thread that Pratchett's death was the main story on the BBC news tonight. Quite surprised, and happy, at that.

*Not happy about his death, just the coverage of it.

Yeah I haven't come across anyone with a bad word and he's very highly considered by a few I consider highly. It was the man rather than the work for me but I wonder whether I'm missing out.

Kinda the same with me. Read a few of his books years ago and they were pretty amusing but certainly no works of literary genius.

I'm open to correction, but it's never occurred to me to view 'hysterical' to be a gender specific slur. Doggg has made this same accusation about that same word before. Presumably there was a post made towards Splendour using that word, that Doggg thought was sexist, because only females could ever be hysterical, an idea which itself seems quite sexist. But again, maybe I'm wrong about usage of that word.

A bit like 'bossy'. I had no idea.

"Worst I've EVER HEARD!"

I thought to myself "this person is pretty much contradicting themselves within their own 3 sentence post" BEFORE I saw it was actually Splendour again. So I'm not falling for confirmation bias in reading her posts.


Also, now seeing these posts are from Splendour, she as farty, apparently did not consider that 'hysterical' was sexist.

Yeah i mean if he is not using it sarcastically then he is as guilty as the crime he is calling out. Think he was, could be wrong.