Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Religion, God, and Theology Discussion of God, religion, faith, theology, and spirituality.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-11-2011, 10:57 AM   #51
bluesbassman
veteran
 
bluesbassman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: In the pocket
Posts: 2,315
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Excellent blog post by Sam Harris in which he reflects upon the event that happened 10 years ago today, and which motivated his writing career:

September 11, 2001

From the post:

Quote:
Whatever else may be wrong with our world, it remains a fact that some of the most terrifying instances of human conflict and stupidity would be unthinkable without religion.
bluesbassman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2011, 01:19 AM   #52
Doggg
veteran
 
Doggg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,114
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Antony Flew's Deism Revisited

http://www.epsociety.org/library/art...28&mode=detail

Basically it briefly reviews his book.

Some interesting quotes:

Quote:
When preeminent philosophical atheist Antony Flew announced in 2004 that he had come to believe in God's existence and was probably best considered a deist, the reaction from both believers and skeptics was "off the chart."....
"A Pilgrimage of Reason" (chapter 4), is the initial contribution to this section. In this essay, Flew chiefly makes the crucial point that his approach to God's existence has been philosophical, not scientific.
Quote:
"So multiverse or not, we still have to come to terms with the origins of the laws of nature. And the only viable explanation here is the divine Mind"
Quote:
The only satisfactory explanation for the origin of such end-directed, self replicating' life as we see on earth is an infinitely intelligent Mind"
Quote:
"As I have said more than once, no other religion enjoys anything like the combination of a charismatic figure like Jesus and a first-class intellectual like St. Paul. If you're wanting omnipotence to set up a religion, it seems to me that this is the one to beat!"
Quote:
While rejecting miracles, Flew held that the resurrection is the best-attested miracle-claim in history
Doggg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2011, 07:30 PM   #53
giants73756
grinder
 
giants73756's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 492
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
A few Catholics still insist Galileo was wrong
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,5366009.story

People amaze me...
giants73756 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 02:21 PM   #54
gskowal
Pooh-Bah
 
gskowal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,521
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...1S0K_blog.html
gskowal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2011, 11:02 PM   #55
bluesbassman
veteran
 
bluesbassman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: In the pocket
Posts: 2,315
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

I haven't seen this posted here, though it was published a few months ago. A number of prominent atheists are asked why they don't believe:

Faith No More

I think my favorite quote is from PZ Myers:

Quote:
The whole business of religion is clownshoes freakin' moonshine, hallowed by nothing but unthinking tradition, fear and superstitious behaviour, and an establishment of con artists who have dedicated their lives to propping up a sense of self-importance by claiming to talk to an invisible big kahuna.

It's not just fact-free, it's all nonsense.
bluesbassman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 10:53 AM   #56
Splendour
banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Don't forget. You are loved by God.
Posts: 18,896
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

For anyone interested in the Essenes:
The First One Hundred Years of Christianity in Jerusalem

By Elizabeth McNamer
Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
Department of Philosophy and Religion
Rocky Mountain College
Billings, Montana, USA
June 2009

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/mcnamer.shtml
Splendour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2011, 12:19 PM   #57
gskowal
Pooh-Bah
 
gskowal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,521
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Review Of Drive Thru History America: Foundations of Character
A Report by Steven K. Green, J.D., Ph.D.
http://www.tfn.org/site/DocServer/Dr...pdf?docID=2901
gskowal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2011, 02:43 PM   #58
gskowal
Pooh-Bah
 
gskowal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,521
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Germany: Catholic Church's $2.3 Billion Store Sells 2500 Pornographic Books

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...11/11/02/29531
gskowal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2011, 03:28 PM   #59
giants73756
grinder
 
giants73756's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 492
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by gskowal View Post
Germany: Catholic Church's $2.3 Billion Store Sells 2500 Pornographic Books

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...11/11/02/29531
The end justifies the means
giants73756 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2011, 06:43 PM   #60
gskowal
Pooh-Bah
 
gskowal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,521
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by giants73756 View Post
The end justifies the means
huh?
gskowal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2011, 04:24 PM   #61
giants73756
grinder
 
giants73756's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 492
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by gskowal View Post
huh?
As long as it makes them money, they'll say it's OK.
giants73756 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 03:54 PM   #62
gskowal
Pooh-Bah
 
gskowal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,521
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by giants73756 View Post
As long as it makes them money, they'll say it's OK.
oh yeah... God loves money...
gskowal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2011, 02:58 PM   #63
giants73756
grinder
 
giants73756's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 492
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Octopus crawls out of water and walks on dry land

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...150510810.html
giants73756 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2011, 05:42 PM   #64
skalf
old hand
 
skalf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,432
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by giants73756 View Post
Octopus crawls out of water and walks on dry land

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...150510810.html
Is the octopus an atheist?
skalf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2011, 06:43 PM   #65
gskowal
Pooh-Bah
 
gskowal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,521
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by giants73756 View Post
Octopus crawls out of water and walks on dry land

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...150510810.html
Future intelligent beings...
gskowal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:21 PM   #66
Alchemist
old hand
 
Alchemist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: ^ I'm a party dog!
Posts: 1,941
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

I love how we have a thread saying atheists are the ones obsessed with god when you have this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1113295.html
Alchemist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2011, 02:57 PM   #67
Hardball47
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: BET FLOP
Posts: 12,937
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by nittyit View Post
Thanks Jib. Most articles/links posted in a debate run the chance of being tldr when debating. I think it's generally frowned upon to start a thread based on just an article alone as well. It would be nice to have a repository of articles to read.

Anyhoo Sam Harris and Sean Carroll continue to go at it.

Toward a Science of Morality - Sam Harris
Does anybody not see the danger in this kind of thinking? It attempts to legitimize one moral philosophy over others by reducing morality to empirical methodology. Empiricism is fact-based, morality is not. FFS, people, baby steps.

The scary part about most of this is that people are convinced they're smarter if they think like that, so there's an ego boost there.
Hardball47 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2011, 04:21 PM   #68
Hail Eris
old hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: IL
Posts: 1,319
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardball47 View Post
Does anybody not see the danger in this kind of thinking? It attempts to legitimize one moral philosophy over others by reducing morality to empirical methodology. Empiricism is fact-based, morality is not. FFS, people, baby steps.

The scary part about most of this is that people are convinced they're smarter if they think like that, so there's an ego boost there.
So I guess you were playing devil's advocate in the relativism thread?

I think this kind of thinking is extremely dangerous and it seems to lend itself easily to all kind of utopian totalitarian social engineering programs. But I actually agreed with more of that article than I thought I would, especially the bit about how scientific claims are value laden (e.g. coherency, consistency, parsimony, etc) and for that reason not fundamentally different from moral claims at a certain very basic level.
Hail Eris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2011, 07:50 PM   #69
Hardball47
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: BET FLOP
Posts: 12,937
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hail Eris View Post
So I guess you were playing devil's advocate in the relativism thread?
Yes, it's a good exercise to try and adamantly argue for positions you don't hold. I personally do think that there are universal moral truths in the same way that two is always greater than one, but I'm not a moral absolutist.

I'm still disappointed in how bunny hasn't seen the ontological category distinction between moral truths and mathematical truths, and how "murder is always wrong" is in a different category than "two is always greater than one". They cannot be compared solely on the basis that they are both universal truths.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hail Eris View Post
I think this kind of thinking is extremely dangerous and it seems to lend itself easily to all kind of utopian totalitarian social engineering programs. But I actually agreed with more of that article than I thought I would, especially the bit about how scientific claims are value laden (e.g. coherency, consistency, parsimony, etc) and for that reason not fundamentally different from moral claims at a certain very basic level.
Morality and science may share the quality of making value statements, but one of the fundamental differences is that morality is intended to be guidelines for living your life. How your morals are define how you conduct yourself in life, including your interactions with others.

Scientific truths, unless they make direct claims on life guidelines (e.g., optimal diet and exercise), does not concern itself with things like whether you should be polite to people or be an *******.
Hardball47 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2011, 07:58 PM   #70
Wizard-50
Pooh-Bah
 
Wizard-50's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Columbia, MD
Posts: 5,777
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Tim Tebow article
Wizard-50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2011, 08:37 PM   #71
giants73756
grinder
 
giants73756's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 492
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

I wonder what people will think of that below average QB once he starts losing. It's funny that his team's point differential is negative in games started by him.
giants73756 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2011, 11:16 AM   #72
Splendour
banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Don't forget. You are loved by God.
Posts: 18,896
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Argumentative Spirit?

Argumentative or Contending?
By Discernment Group
http://crossroad.to/articles2/007/di...contending.htm

Cure for a Contentious Spirit by Wendell E. Miller
http://www.biblical-counsel.org/qa-23.htm
Splendour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2011, 09:10 AM   #73
Splendour
banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Don't forget. You are loved by God.
Posts: 18,896
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

M. Scott Peck, a Harvard educated psychiatrist and bestselling author, on spiritual development.

The Stages Of Spiritual Growth
By M. Scott Peck, M.D.
(The Different Drum by M. Scott Peck, pages 187-203)
Abridged by Richard Schwartz


http://www.factnet.org/Stages_Of_Spiritual_Growth.html

Quote:

"Just as there are discernible stages in human physical and psychological growth, so there are stages in human spiritual development. The most widely read scholar of the subject today is James Fowler of Emory University, the writer of Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development and the Quest for Meaning. But I first came to an awareness of these stages through my own personal experience."
Splendour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2011, 08:55 PM   #74
Splendour
banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Don't forget. You are loved by God.
Posts: 18,896
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Something to think about:

Why did god reveal himself to us?
http://religion.answers.wikia.com/wi..._himself_to_us

Why doesn't God REVEAL himself MORE to man? Written by: Clay Willis
http://www.biblestudy.org/question/w...re-to-man.html

In Christianity God is knowable. Read Acts 17 In Athens:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...17&version=NIV
Splendour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2011, 03:52 PM   #75
gskowal
Pooh-Bah
 
gskowal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,521
Re: ****Official RGT Article Thread****

Turin Shroud resurrected

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/6...ud-resurrected
gskowal is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.33 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ę 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online