Observing the Sabbath - Page 2 - Religion, God, and Theology

EnlightenedRaise · 07-18-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by asdfasdf32

I don't consider it sad, or under-handed...at all. I'm trying to clarify your position for others, as you tend to speak in vagaries almost always.

your noble intent is noted.
perhaps you should be more selective in your wording.
or perhaps you should review those PM's...

if it is perceived as "vagaries", all is as it must be.

EnlightenedRaise · 07-18-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jon_midas

So are you basically saying that you are of the belief that "god is everything"? If so I can agree that it is a reasonable way to think about the world (and one that I have thought about many times), but by saying "god speaks to me", I think you know that you are opening yourself up to a high likelyhood of misunderstanding. Why not choose a different way to describe what you are experiencing (if your goal is to help people understand what you are experiencing)?

i have no goals.

i do as i am led.

god = consciousness

god is everything.

asdfasdf32 · 07-18-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EnlightenedRaise

god = consciousness

god is everything.

God is a ****ing meaningless word then.

EnlightenedRaise · 07-18-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tripseekerx

The calendar has changed and has been re interprited many times..Theres no way for you to know when the actuall sabbath is..It could have been wednesday this whole time..Are you not using a calendar you bought from walmart?
Dont take all scripture literally...10 commandments yes, proverbs 16 (7 things god hates) and thats it for me..And thats only cause Im God fearing..

you are reading into something that is simply not there.

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Originally Posted by tripseekerx

A good percentage of it all is a control mechanism, a foundation for the unfounded, a path for the lost and the weak..
And because we all have a different notions about stuff, we break apart into different sects, hence all the varietys of God out there..
So far, when men get old and have heart attacks, its a painfull screaming torturous death..In case you didnt know..This has happened to men of all faiths...God absent

+1

the commandments can be reverse-proven with two simple concepts.
do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
and love and trust God unconditionally.

love to you.

EnlightenedRaise · 07-18-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by asdfasdf32

God is a ****ing meaningless word then.

i can appreciate that perspective.

tripseekerx · 07-18-2012, 02:19 PM

Theres a flow, an energy, most of us missed...When introduced to DMT, the spiritual hormone, I then recognized, and was comfortable in my own shoes...Free to live, and not wonder or worry so much about existance, or salvation..
A true DMT trip takes you inside the cosmos, puts you at Gods door, and after, you feel different forever, sans words...sans doubt...might be a trip for you...
DMT can be found in nature...

uke_master · 07-18-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Original Position

Is this going to be a new thing for you? You start off threads by derailing them?

I have no idea what the OP actually was about to which it has been derailed from. But yes, asking someone what they believe and why seems to be a necessary start to most meaningful conversations.

uke_master · 07-18-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EnlightenedRaise

this language is not equipped to relay such concepts.
those in the know will pluck my meanings out of the air...

So there IS evidence for this deity of yours except the evidence is not in any way communicable in the english language?

How convenient. I am always amused at the innumerable different ways that deists manage to find to get out of providing a shred of evidence or rationale for their extraordinary beliefs.

EnlightenedRaise · 07-18-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tripseekerx

Theres a flow, an energy, most of us missed...When introduced to DMT, the spiritual hormone, I then recognized, and was comfortable in my own shoes...Free to live, and not wonder or worry so much about existance, or salvation..
A true DMT trip takes you inside the cosmos, puts you at Gods door, and after, you feel different forever, sans words...sans doubt...might be a trip for you...
DMT can be found in nature...

hehehehehehe..

i once was a seeker of trips..
i have yet to experience the apparent mother of all rides though..
if it is to be experienced, then i will surely come across it, when i am ready.

i am smiling, for if one is comfortable in one's shoes, one can travel great distances.

thank you for being me.

EnlightenedRaise · 07-18-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by uke_master

So there IS evidence for this deity of yours except the evidence is not in any way communicable in the english language?

How convenient. I am always amused at the innumerable different ways that deists manage to find to get out of providing a shred of evidence or rationale for their extraordinary beliefs.

i am not a deist.

i owe you nothing.

your assuming is inching you farther and farther away from that ledge...

love to you.

tripseekerx · 07-18-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EnlightenedRaise

hehehehehehe..

i once was a seeker of trips..
i have yet to experience the apparent mother of all rides though..
if it is to be experienced, then i will surely come across it, when i am ready.

i am smiling, for if one is comfortable in one's shoes, one can travel great distances.

thank you for being me.

Ha, I now hereby find you interesting!!!

EnlightenedRaise · 07-18-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tripseekerx

Ha, I now hereby find you interesting!!!

**Original Position** · 07-18-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by uke_master

I have no idea what the OP actually was about to which it has been derailed from.

Do you believe it was about EnlightenedRaise's evidence for the existence of God? Cuz if not, you should be able to realize that you were off-topic. If you are confused, you can always look at the title for clues.

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But yes, asking someone what they believe and why seems to be a necessary start to most meaningful conversations.

Asking someone if they are a liberal and why is not a necessary start to most meaningful conversations. There are lots of meaningful conversations to have on topics relevant to Religion, God, and Theology that don't need to begin with an explication and defense of your views on the existence of God. If you are not interested in having those other conversations, fine, don't. Obviously others are.

EnlightenedRaise · 07-18-2012, 03:28 PM

thank you for everything you do OrP.

for any reader who would like to discuss anything, feel free to PM me.

mangler241 · 07-18-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EnlightenedRaise

this is big, i don't do new threads.

this topic is of epic proportions, and indeed deserves its own thread.

any scripture i quote, will consequently speak for itself.
for the record, i will not respond to every cited quote you choose to bombard this thread with without your own personal commentary.
feel free to chime in with your thoughts at any time.

there is a lacking of your perspective, but i will still respond accordingly.

now, certain points must be noted in order for you to thoroughly comprehend the reasoning in this response.

1) IMHO, the One True Living God of Creation, is not the "G-d" you believe it to be, until you have shown otherwise.

2) His Kingdom is Here and Now.

I exist in perpetual agreement with the One True Living God's Law, an Ordained Sovereign man on this Earth.
For your benefit, you should be aware that the words I speak cannot be nothing but Truth as I, literally, cannot tell a lie.
If you feel that I have ever in some way "Judged" you, know that His Judgement is Just, as "I" cannot create a victim.
I am nothing but a conduit of His Divine Will.

May the following words find you in Peace..

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Biblical sources:

pagan phallic idol worship.
one should note that the sexually symbolic act of pouring oil onto the idol(or male ejaculation symbolizing fertility, or being fruitful, or multiplying), was a normal custom of the times, and was done honorably and in good faith.
most popularly, it has been relegated to anointing of foreheads with Holy Water, although the pagan custom can still be seen in some cultures, such as India.

nothing wrong with ritual..it provides a sense of order and security..a common fellowship in brother-hood..the feeling of doing something for God.
rituals please my Ego too.

it gives it SOMETHING TO DO!!!

However, the True Self within this vessel, need not for ritual of any nature..
what would that which Observes "need" at all, other than something observably interesting?

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Kiyun/Kaiwan/Chiun = Saturn
the Egyptian or Greek equivalent = Remphan or Reifan

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i could go on, and on, and on...
you usually won't see me get all Biblical here, but you opened the door.

if one knows their history, one will plainly see that they are the "poster-children" of "Don't let it happen to you."
if one demands to play the victim, then one is made to endure slavery.
Cause and Effect.

The Jews are not alone.
the idolatry of a Lesser G-d has surpassed the test of time and is evident to this day, even if practiced in ignorance.
this is a vital lesson in a Commandment that IS enforced.
one should be aware of what that Sabbath truly represents, for your own sake.

Fear not, little God. All is in Divine Order, At All Times.

Shalom Aleikhem!

Almost every event of any importance in the history of humanity is a spiritual battle between Ha-satan and HaShem, the "One True G-d". Humans are often blind to the spiritual realities behind the events; unfortunately, many of those that aren't blind are into the occult or essentially "Baal worship".

1) Yeshua's prayer to Hashem, his "G-d", the "G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" in Jn 17:1-3 starts as follows:

Jn 17:1-3 (CJB)
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17 After Yeshua had said these things, he looked up toward heaven and said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, so that the Son may glorify you — ² just as you gave him authority over all mankind, so that he might give eternal life to all those whom you have given him. ³ And eternal life is this: to know you, the one true God, and him whom you sent, Yeshua the Messiah.

2) To some extent, the "kingdom" is here and now; besides existing in the form of spiritual beings that obey the will of "G-d", this Malkuth exists in those human beings that are cohanim of the "One True G-d", but this priesthood is not by ordination, but by accepting the king Yeshua HaMashiach, trusting in him and by an anointing superior to that of oil, through the power of the Ruach HaKodesh ( "Holy Spirit" ). The "kingdom" is also referring to the future "fulfillment" in Rev chapter 22. Yeshua's "kingdom" is not of this world even though the servants of the kingdom have the deposit of the Ruach HaKodesh (" Spirit of Truth ") indwelling them according to the new covenant spoken of in Jer 31:33-34 so that the servants know "YHWH Elohim" and Yeshua the king, whom the Father sent:

Jn 17:33-37 (CJB)
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³³ So Pilate went back into the headquarters, called Yeshua and said to him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” ³⁴ Yeshua answered, “Are you asking this on your own, or have other people told you about me?” ³⁵Pilate replied, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and head cohanim have handed you over to me; what have you done?” ³⁶ Yeshua answered, “My kingship does not derive its authority from this world’s order of things. If it did, my men would have fought to keep me from being arrested by the Judeans. But my kingship does not come from here.” ³⁷ “So then,” Pilate said to him, “You are a king, after all.” Yeshua answered, “You say I am a king. The reason I have been born, the reason I have come into the world, is to bear witness to the truth. Every one who belongs to the truth listens to me.”

Just as the order of cohanim beginning with Yeshua is superior to that of the Levites or any other priesthood, everything is also superior: instead of continual sacrifices for sins, the one time propitiation of Yeshua HaMashiach through his blood was not only superior, but covered all the sins of humanity; instead of an anointing with oil, the Ruach HaKodesh is a superior anointing; instead of having a priest that would eventually die, Yeshua is a priest-king that lives for eternity. Yeshua is also the head of the "ecclessia" ( general assembly, often misappropriately translated "church" ), the members of which inherit the "kingdom of G-d". This "superiority" is a major theme in the "book of Hebrews".

Those passages from Genesis point to the Mashiach, Yeshua, for he is not only Jacob's Ladder and the "House of El" ( for the "One True G-d" dwelt inside the Incarnate Memra ~ Human "Logos" ), he is also the chief cornerstone that the builders rejected.

Yeshua is also "YHWH in the flesh" and the Judge of all humanity. He provides the correct halakhah for any Torah ~ "instruction" and the means to follow him in "the Way" is through the power of the Ruach HaKodesh, not only to overcome the world, but to bear witness of Yeshua HaMashiach and preach the "kingdom of G-d", headed by the "King of Kings and Lord of Lords", "Christ Jesus" = Messiah Yeshua.

Shalom!