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08-13-2015 , 03:24 PM
Interested to see what others think about this blog post, especially since the last one I posted on here sparked some conversation. (http://http://forumserver.twoplustwo...crazy-1532130/ )

""This story is not one of love. It's a story about global mass murder by the christian god." Why would an all powerful and all knowing god prefer to murder 99 percent of his children rather than just doing a better job as a parent?"


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08-14-2015 , 05:05 AM
The old testament God isn't really all about love and forgiveness, the new testament God seems to care a bit more.

Malachi 3:6 makes this transition truly akward: "I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed".

But you know, square circles.
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08-14-2015 , 07:19 PM
The old testament is sort of about making Jews behave as god wants them to, and punishing them harshly if they don't. So killing a bunch of them as punishment fits in nicely with that theme. It really isn't radically different than the rest of the material.

Also, it isn't clear that the original authors or codifiers of the old testament intended for it to all be taken as literal/historical truth, so they may never have contended with your question at all.
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08-16-2015 , 02:23 AM
That there are adults who consider Noah's Ark to be a historic event was probably one of the most shocking discoveries of my own adult life.
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08-17-2015 , 06:09 AM
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That there are adults who consider Noah's Ark to be a historic event was probably one of the most shocking discoveries of my own adult life.
What makes you think it didn't happen?
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08-17-2015 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
The old testament God isn't really all about love and forgiveness
I disagree
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08-17-2015 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace Acumen
I disagree
Well, I guess in between killing the Egyptian firstborns, banning disfigured people from being priests and ordering people to be stoned for touching a mountain - there is certainly the odd story about care.
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08-17-2015 , 04:32 PM
"God" (the "god like figure" of the Bible, narcissistically named "God") is a complete psychopathic parent figure; 1st- creates special torture place for children (blames children "you made me do it), 2nd- murders 99% of children (blames children "you made me do it), and 3rd- has himself murdered in "mortal form" to create "self-guilt" in children, as he plays the "victim card" (and again, blames the children "you made me do it").... Seriously, the most immoral fictional character of all time.
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08-18-2015 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Well, I guess in between killing the Egyptian firstborns
So if God killed a 1700 American Slave Master from Mississippi for raping and whipping the shyt out of his African slaves...You would be mad that God didn't care for the slave master? wtf?
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08-18-2015 , 05:27 PM
I think its interesting that we came from somewhere and these are the oldest stories of EARTH and HUMANITY!! Pretty Freaking unreal amazing if you ask me. And if 10 different cultures all around the world all have accounts of the same story...that leads me more towards truth than myth. Even if the story changes (passed down for long times by oral tradition) ofc people are gonna say noah was an indian dude if they are from india. Ever hear 3 people tell the same story its almost always different, esp as centuries pass
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08-18-2015 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace Acumen
So if God killed a 1700 American Slave Master from Mississippi for raping and whipping the shyt outof his African slaves...You would be mad that God didn't care for the slave master? wtf?
Even though Yahweh seems ok with slavery, just physical punishment of slaves and having sex with your slave (no consent necessary afaik) how does God kill the slave master?

I ask because when God kills its always in some cruel manner. When we kill as a society we at least try to do it in the most humane way possible.

So say for arguments sake it was necessary for God to kill all humans in a flood or exterminate all that tribe. Why didn't he pick a more humane way to kill the evil humans? Like bilking them out of existence which should be possible for him.

Last edited by batair; 08-18-2015 at 06:25 PM. Reason: I know i ask this all the time but...
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08-18-2015 , 08:52 PM
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Even though Yahweh seems ok with slavery
where did you pull this from?
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08-19-2015 , 03:49 AM
Thats besides my point. Either way..you first. Why didn't god use more humane ways to kill?
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08-19-2015 , 04:03 AM
Because he is god
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08-19-2015 , 04:21 AM
Not an answer.

God could cause less suffering. Why does he chose more?
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08-19-2015 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace Acumen
So if God killed a 1700 American Slave Master from Mississippi for raping and whipping the shyt out of his African slaves...You would be mad that God didn't care for the slave master? wtf?
So you are saying the newborn infants deserved to be murdered because of something they did?

Also, as far as slavery, it is allowed. And you are allowed to beat them. And you are allowed to have sex with them. If you beat a slave to death, that is a problem -- however, if you beat one so badly that he dies of his wounds a few days later, that is ok because the slave is after all your property.

If the slave is Jewish, you have to offer them freedom after 7 years -- but if they have a wife who is also your slave, and/or kids, they will have to leave them... or they could remain your slave and stay with their family. If they are not Jewish, you never have to turn them loose.

And before the BS about "slavery back then was not like slavery in the deep South," whatever slavery WAS like back then, YOU WERE ALLOWED TO BEAT THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE YOUR PROPERTY.

Most defenses of slavery in America in the early 1800s specifically referred to scripture or God or Christianity as justifying slavery. You can argue they were wrong, but it is still arguable - someone could easily argue that they were correct. My point is, this isn't an argument invented by atheists to make Christianity look bad; it was an argument endorsed by Christians.
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08-20-2015 , 02:39 AM
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And before the BS about "slavery back then was not like slavery in the deep South,"
Keep reading instead of pulling a verse from a story out of context. Look at the context of their slavery. How did they become a slave? Because of theft that they had to pay back or bc they sold themselves into the position. You don't understand the context, the culture, or the time in history. If you actually read the book instead of googling a verse you would have read that. These are laws about money and financial situations.
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08-20-2015 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmr
If the slave is Jewish, you have to offer them freedom after 7 years -- but if they have a wife who is also your slave, and/or kids, they will have to leave them... or they could remain your slave and stay with their family. If they are not Jewish, you never have to turn them loose.
where did you pull that from?
Please quote the verses we are talking about text
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08-20-2015 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmr
Most defenses of slavery in America in the early 1800s specifically referred to scripture or God or Christianity as justifying slavery. it was an argument endorsed by Christians.
People will twist anything to push for their $$$ agendas. And your talking about the agenda's of very wealthy people and politicians. If the people with money want the politicians to make slavery legal then they are gonna pay big bucks to get their "Christian" message out. But that is not a real interpretation or argument by anybody that is actually educated on the subjects. Good thing politicians stopped that dirty practice of using religion to bring in voters a long time ago...

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08-20-2015 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace Acumen
Keep reading instead of pulling a verse from a story out of context. Look at the context of their slavery. How did they become a slave? Because of theft that they had to pay back or bc they sold themselves into the position. You don't understand the context, the culture, or the time in history. If you actually read the book instead of googling a verse you would have read that. These are laws about money and financial situations.
So given the cultural context, it was moral for god to instruct them that they could beat their slaves so severely that they died a few days later of their injuries, and they should not be punished, because the slave is their property?

As for the verses, you look them up. It's all in there. I didn't make it up.
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08-20-2015 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace Acumen
So if God killed a 1700 American Slave Master from Mississippi for raping and whipping the shyt out of his African slaves...You would be mad that God didn't care for the slave master? wtf?
All the Egyptian firstborns were slave masters? I'm not sure you justify God by making her sound like a bigoted racist.
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08-20-2015 , 05:12 AM
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As for the verses, you look them up. It's all in there. I didn't make it up.
i think you did
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08-20-2015 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Not an answer.

God could cause less suffering. Why does he chose more?
Why is there suffering on earth? Its it God's doing? Im pretty sure there is suffering bc of man and evil. God made plenty for everyone
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08-20-2015 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmr
So given the cultural context, it was moral for god to instruct them that they could beat their slaves so severely that they died a few days later of their injuries, and they should not be punished, because the slave is their property?
everything you've said so far is a created statement by yourself that you have pawned off as being from the bible.
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