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08-25-2015 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace Acumen
This question presupposes that Mount Everest was the height it is now, and that the air pressure would not have changed at that height above normal sea level with the addition of the flood water.

So, if the waters were not 9 kilometers deep, but much less, the question is no longer an issue.
Yes to the first point, no to the second (see below for the response to that)

The flood is supposed to have happened somewhere between 4000 and 6000 years ago, so Everest could not have been more than 900m lower than it is now, that's using your information. So the flood would have still had to have been 4.5 miles deep.

In any case, this is a moot point because the flood only had to have been more than 200-300 meters deep to prevent any sunlight reaching the sea floor, but even if it was only 100 feet deep, it would still have killed virtually all plant life on the planet by drowning it.

So you haven't yet countered this argument. How did plant life either survive the flood (impossible) or how did all those species reappear following the flood? (also impossible)


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Originally Posted by Ace Acumen
It is certain, therefore, that those on the Ark would have had no trouble breathing - without oxygen tanks.
The lack of oxygen is a post-flood issue, caused by the fact that all the oxygen producing plants are now dead.

Also, you didn't address the warming-pulse point. A planet's worth of organic matter all rotting at the same time would have produced an immense amount of methane in a very short time, which would have raised global temperatures dramatically but we see no evidence of that.
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08-26-2015 , 08:03 AM
The Atlantean flood occurred approximately 10,000 years ago. Atlantis was the continent situated between present day Europe, Africa and the Americas.

From what I understand, it was piecemeal as there were migrations of peoples , East and West. One small and advanced group of people traveled from present day Hibernia (site of the Sun Oracle) into Asia from which our western cultural epochs originated.

Others migrated west and are the ancestors of our present day Indians. The "Great Spirit" of our American Indian is the Chinese "Tao".
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08-27-2015 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
In any case, this is a moot point because the flood only had to have been more than 200-300 meters deep to prevent any sunlight reaching the sea floor, but even if it was only 100 feet deep,
Measurements suggest that Everest is currently rising at up to 15 centimeters (six inches) per year. If we extrapolate backwards, taking the rate of rise of 15 cm per year and the current height of Everest (8,848 meters, or 29,028 feet), Everest would have been at sea level only 59,000 years ago. If the current rate of rise is only the tail end of what has been happening in the past, the rise in the past could have been much greater, bringing the origin of Everest to the time of Noah's Flood.

Gen 7:20. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits ( 23ft ).

The funniest part about this thread is that there is a much juicier topic among the story of Noah which I naturally expected to encounter when I saw the title of this thread... and not a one has mentioned it
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09-03-2015 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace Acumen
The funniest part about this thread is that there is a much juicier topic among the story of Noah which I naturally expected to encounter when I saw the title of this thread... and not a one has mentioned it
There are so many that I really have no idea what one you are referring? I'm guessing the non-existent gene pool?
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09-10-2015 , 06:32 AM
genesis 6
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09-10-2015 , 12:19 PM
Sigh. The flood wasn't a global flood that covered the earth, it was a local flood.

The 1st Century Jewish Historian Josephus born into the priestly class around the time of Jesus. He was well educated and studied the various sects in Judaism at the time, he would be well apprised of what the people of Israel understood about the Noachian flood.

Many Christian believe that a local flood interpretation is a recent invention of those who are trying to reconcile science with the Bible. However, the first century Jewish writer, Josephus wrote about other writers who indicated that the flood was regional and that some inhabitants survived by seeking higher ground:

Josephus writes:

"Now all the writers of barbarian [Greek] histories make mention of this flood and of this ark: among whom is Berosus the Chaldean... Hieronymous the Egyptian.... Nicolaus of Damascus, in his ninety-sixth book, hath a particular relation about them, where he speaks thus:

"There is a great mountain in Armenia, over Minyas, called Baris, upon which it is reported that many who fled at the time of the Deluge were saved; and that one who was carried in an ark came on shore upon top of it; and that the remains of the timber were a great while preserved. This might be the man about whom Moses, the legislator of the Jews wrote."


Josephus does not seek to correct their narrative. So, the idea that the flood was a local event is not just a recent phenomenon.

Josephus further writes:

Now the sons of Noah were three, Shem, Japhet, and Ham, born one hundred years before the Deluge.

"These first of all descended from the mountains into the plains, and fixed their habitation there; and PERSUADED OTHERS WHO WERE GREATLY AFRAID OF THE LOWER GROUNDS ON ACCOUNT OF THE FLOOD, and so were very loath to come down from the higher places, to venture to follow their examples. Now the plain in which they first dwelt was called Shinar."


"These first of all" - shows that others in farther off localities had survived the LOCAL flood, otherwise there would have been no others to be persuaded.

From Antiquity of the Jews, Book I, Chapter 4, by Josephus.

Source:

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2848

Also see:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...ocalflood.html
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