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The new age movement and why should we tolerate it? The new age movement and why should we tolerate it?

03-13-2013 , 07:58 AM
Brief history on the new age movement:

The present "New Age Movement" may be traced back to Helena Blavatsky, who founded the Theosophical Society in 1875. From 1867 to her death in 1891, she was said to have received telepathic instruction from "Masters", spirit beings or humans who had died and evolved into a "higher plane", such as Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius, etc. Along with evolution, she taught that all religions have common truths, especially the eastern Indian religion. Her central theme was that man can save himself because he is a god.

My understanding of the new age movement:

The new age movement is the most deceptive and damaging philosophy around today. It is entwined not only in witchcraft and satanism, it is prevalent in all denominations of what the world calls Christianity. The belief system is deeply rooted in Eastern Mysticism and the Occult. Followers are told to awaken their God consciousness thru Transcendental Meditation, Yoga, Hypnosis, visualization etc.. What most do not understand is, this is the same thing Satan said in the garden of Eden to Eve. "You will be as Gods" (Genesis 3:4,5). No one is a god.

Probable origins:

Adam Kadmon is a phrase in the religious writings of Kabbalah meaning "original man". The oldest mainstream rabbinic source for the term Adam ha-Ḳadmoni is Numbers Rabbah x., where Biblical Adam is styled, not as usually Ha-Rishon ("the first"), but "Ha-Kadmoni" ("the original"). In Kabbalah, Adam Kadmon ("above") is the first of the comprehensive Five spiritual Worlds in creation, distinguished from Biblical Adam Ha-Rishon ("below"), who included within himself all future human souls before the sin of the Tree of Knowledge. The spiritual real of Adam Kadmon represents the sephirah (divine attribute) of Keter ("crown"), the specific divine will and plan for subsequent creation.
In the Lurianic systemisation of preceding Kabbalah, the anthropomorphic designation for Adam Kadmon describes its arrangement of the latent future sephirot in the harmonised configuration of man. However, Adam Kadmon itself is divine light without vessels, including all subsequent creation only in potential. This exalted anthropomorphism denotes that man is both the theocentric purpose of future creation, and the anthropocentric embodiment of the divine manifestations on high. This mythopoetic cosmogenesis and anthropogenesis enables the "Adam soul" to embody all human souls; the collective Yechidah ("singular") soul essence in Adam Kadmon, and the collective Neshamah ("soul") revealed soul in the Biblical Adam Ha-Rishon in the Garden of Eden.
Adam Kadmon is comparable to the Anthropos of Gnosticism and Manichaeism, and Purusha in the Upanishads. There is also a similar concept in Alevi and Sufic philosophy called al-Insān al-Kāmil (الإنسان الكامل), the perfect or complete man. (wikipedia)

As a Zen Buddhist ( Zazen practitioner ) I think that this light is the Devil ( or the light of Lucifer) and those ''Masters" nothing more then demons.
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Bodhidharma: Even if a buddha or bodhisattva should suddenly appear before you, there's no need for reverence. This mind of ours is empty and contains no such form. Those who hold onto appearances are devils. They fall from the Path. Why worship illusions born of the mind? . . . The basic nature of a buddha has no such form. Keep this in mind, even if something unusual should appear. Don't embrace it, and don't fear it, and don't doubt that your mind is basically pure. . . . Also at the appearance of spirits, demons, or divine beings, conceive neither respect nor fear. Your mind is basically empty. All appearances are illusions. Don't hold on to appearances. If you envision a buddha, a dharma, or a bodhisattva and conceive respect for them, you relegate yourself to the realm of mortals. If you seek direct understanding, don't hold on to any appearance whatsoever, and you'll succeed. . . . The sutras say, "That which is free of all form is the buddha." Disciple: But why shouldn't we worship buddhas and bodhisattvas? Bodhidharma: Devils and demons possess the power of manifestation. They can create the appearance of bodhisattvas in all sorts of guises. But they're false. None of them are buddhas. The buddha is your own mind. Don't misdirect your worship.

Do you think that we should tolerated the miss representation of the new age movement? Since it contradicts Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism and Confucianism, but in essence- claims that Juses, Confucius and the Buddhas where some kind of Adam Kadmon beings.
Then they claim the "transcendent masters'' , to be keepers of the light- the universal saviors of humanity ( Lucifer represented by the snake in the garden of Eden ) ,who gives to humanity the knowledge of good and evil.

The main figures for the new age movement are Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, Albert Pike and Manly P. Hall. All of this people agree that Lucifer is the light and that the pure manifestations of his doctrine are the "holly grail" of spiritual enlightenment. The main focus is individuality in the sense of Thelema*.

*"Thelema (pron.: /θəˈliːmə/; Koine Greek: [θélima]) is a spiritual philosophy or religion that was developed by the early 20th century British writer and ceremonial magician, Aleister Crowley. He came to believe himself to be the prophet of a new age, the Æon of Horus, based upon a spiritual experience that he and his wife, Rose Edith, had in Egypt in 1904. By his account, a possibly non-corporeal or "praeterhuman" being that called itself Aiwass contacted him and dictated a text known as The Book of the Law or Liber AL vel Legis, which outlined the principles of Thelema. An adherent of Thelema is a Thelemite.
The Thelemic pantheon includes a number of deities focusing primarily on a trinity of deities adapted from ancient Egyptian religion, who are the three speakers of The Book of the Law: Nuit, Hadit and Ra-Hoor-Khuit. The religion is founded upon the idea that the 20th century marked the beginning of the Aeon of Horus, in which a new ethical code would be followed; "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law". This statement indicates that adherents, who are known as Thelemites, should seek out and follow their own true path in life, known as their True Will[5] rather than their egoic desires. The philosophy also emphasizes the ritual practice of Magick.
The word "Thelema" itself is the English transliteration of the Koine Greek noun θέλημα: "will", from the verb θέλω: to will, wish, purpose. In the New Testament as well as the works of Plato, Thelema includes the ideas of will, choice, inclination, desire, including sexual desire, and pleasure.[citation needed] As Crowley developed the religion he wrote widely on the topic, producing what are collectively termed the Holy Books of Thelema. He also included ideas from occultism, Yoga and both Eastern and Western mysticism, especially the Qabalah"

Aleister Crowley was mentor of the Beatles. Who where pushing the youth of the 60's in to the new age doctrine.
Aleister Crowley is praised by the following artist:
( list of Crowley enthusiasts )
the Doors
the Beatles
David Bowie
Iron Maiden
Sting
Stiv Bators
Marilyn Manson
Led Zeppelin
and most of the new hip-hop/ pop stars.

For me it is more then clear, why are there so much anti-religious fundamentalist and god hating atheists. Since the subliminal message of this artists was heard but the whole world and changed the lives of many.
Crowley was the one who initially coined the term "New age" in his book "The Book of the Law."

So my questions are:
What is your take on the new age movement?
Don't you thing that since is the new age movement was originated by "satanist'' ( for the lack of a better word ) occultists, it should be considered as a occult of Lucifer?
What can you add in defense of the new age movement?
Am I a total idiot ?

Feel free to call me idiot and delete my post- if needed. That won't be something new.

Thank you for reading my thread.
Have a nice day.
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03-13-2013 , 08:06 AM
Cliff notes: Sting is in cahoots with the devil. OP has had his posts removed in the past, and is used to it.
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03-13-2013 , 08:07 AM
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Thank you for reading my thread.
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03-13-2013 , 08:11 AM
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03-13-2013 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Cliff notes: Sting is in cahoots with the devil. OP has had his posts removed in the past, and is used to it.
Actually no one has ever removed a thread of mine.
But I have been called an idiot numerous times.
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03-13-2013 , 08:16 AM
srsly wtf?
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03-13-2013 , 09:56 AM
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Actually no one has ever removed a thread of mine.
But I have been called an idiot numerous times.
Ok, but then your grammar is slightly off.

As for the OP, it is difficult to comment upon. It is mostly a string of accusations, dubious links disguised as facts and some sweeping generalizations thrown in for good measure.

For example... What exactly is the link between Alistair Crowley and "anti-religious fundamentalists"? I would think "anti-religious fundamentalists" (whomever and whatever they might be) would object to an occultist quite fervently.
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03-13-2013 , 12:13 PM
How should it not be tolerated?
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03-13-2013 , 12:17 PM
The reason there are so many 'anti religious fundamentalists' is because religion has been responsible for so much wrong in the world and continues to do so. The new age movement on the other hand has done minimal damage in comparison (at least to Christianity or Islam).

Maybe try realising that your world view is based on religious fundamentalism and most people (at least here) don't share that world view.
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03-13-2013 , 12:36 PM
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How should it not be tolerated?
Burn them at the stake. LDO
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03-13-2013 , 12:40 PM
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god hating atheists.
Explain to me please, how I can feel the emotion of hate, toward something that I do not think exists?

Does this mean that I also hate unicorns?
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03-13-2013 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Ok, but then your grammar is slightly off.

As for the OP, it is difficult to comment upon. It is mostly a string of accusations, dubious links disguised as facts and some sweeping generalizations thrown in for good measure.

For example... What exactly is the link between Alistair Crowley and "anti-religious fundamentalists"? I would think "anti-religious fundamentalists" (whomever and whatever they might be) would object to an occultist quite fervently.
I am really sorry for my grammar I ave never studied English in school.

"I would think "anti-religious fundamentalists" (whomever and whatever they might be) would object to an occultist quite fervently"
No. Why would they object. Those people are opportunist.
A. Crowley hated God- a lot. He started the new age movement.
This are basic Sun Tzu subversion tactics. If we knew the agenda we could say ''why", but since this will be a wild speculation, we could just say that a lot of people hate religion and God. They will obviously, co-operate to destroy religion, does not matter how, as long as they can make people fight for non words like ''God".
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03-13-2013 , 01:07 PM
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Explain to me please, how I can feel the emotion of hate, toward something that I do not think exists?

Does this mean that I also hate unicorns?
Just watch Dawkins in his God debates - this is a proper God hating atheist.
Even a lot of us Zen Buddhist atheists will say that he is not an atheist but a new atheist.
But I just know how many people will disagree with me here, so whatever.

Comparing the Existence of God, with the existence of unicorns is something that is not worthy of the attention of anyone over 10 years old. But yes for the new atheist is an every day practice. Whenever somebody makes this association in a God Debate you can be sure that:
a) he has 0 to nothing debating skills
b) he is definitely not trying to convince the theist, he is just making pop-culture arguments to please his emotional followers. So this not debating, this is pure populism.
c) this man/ woman is dangerous and he/ she can lie with a smile on his/ her face. And claim to be intellectual, when he is just a biologist/ physicist/ chemist.

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03-13-2013 , 01:16 PM
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How should it not be tolerated?
I dunno. But I won't be happy if my kids are exposed to this dangerous ideology.
So I would make sure to explain to them, that this movement is purely satanic.
Well you can say "but OP, only religious people believe in Satan"
I could recall a story where one atheist scientist put a horse shoe on his front door. When asked why. He answered that some body told him:
"You do not need to believe in it in order for it to work".

This people, at least the educated new age people are totally aware that they worship Lucifer. Since all of their great teachers are speaking about the universal savior and the pure light of Lucifer.
I am not crazy they are. I am just exposing them and asking some simple questions .
Thanks
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03-13-2013 , 01:19 PM
It seems there's a nice correlation going on lately between being a terrible poster and plagiarizing wikipedia. Hmm.
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03-13-2013 , 01:23 PM
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It seems there's a nice correlation going on lately between being a terrible poster and plagiarizing wikipedia. Hmm.
I love trolls. They are silly :P
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03-13-2013 , 01:36 PM
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I dunno. But I won't be happy if my kids are exposed to this dangerous ideology.
So I would make sure to explain to them, that this movement is purely satanic.
Well you can say "but OP, only religious people believe in Satan"
I could recall a story where one atheist scientist put a horse shoe on his front door. When asked why. He answered that some body told him:
"You do not need to believe in it in order for it to work".

This people, at least the educated new age people are totally aware that they worship Lucifer. Since all of their great teachers are speaking about the universal savior and the pure light of Lucifer.
I am not crazy they are. I am just exposing them and asking some simple questions .
Thanks
Ok. So just do the same thing many believers and non believers already do, talk about its wrongness. Well at least you dont want to burn em.
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03-13-2013 , 01:51 PM
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Ok. So just do the same thing many believers and non believers already do, talk about its wrongness. Well at least you dont want to burn em.
sorry but this is BS.

Why would I try to point wrongness? No i just give the facts. If have anything to add in defense of the new age movement, then plz do it.
If you can point the right things that they do, then do it.
I can only point the things that I know and all of them are negative, and wrong. What can I do since I do not know better ?
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03-13-2013 , 02:01 PM
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I am really sorry for my grammar I ave never studied English in school.

"I would think "anti-religious fundamentalists" (whomever and whatever they might be) would object to an occultist quite fervently"
No. Why would they object. Those people are opportunist.
A. Crowley hated God- a lot. He started the new age movement.
This are basic Sun Tzu subversion tactics. If we knew the agenda we could say ''why", but since this will be a wild speculation, we could just say that a lot of people hate religion and God. They will obviously, co-operate to destroy religion, does not matter how, as long as they can make people fight for non words like ''God".
Why would an opportunist stick it out with what (in most countries) is the distrusted minority?

"Those people" sounds fairly cheap and prejudiced: "Who are anti-religious fundamentalists"... they are "those people"... "why do they link to Crowley"... "those people are opportunists". Your argumentation seems to be based on little but colorful terms.

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03-13-2013 , 02:11 PM
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Ok. So just do the same thing many believers and non believers already do, talk about its wrongness. Well at least you dont want to burn em.
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sorry but this is BS.

Why would I try to point wrongness? No i just give the facts. If have anything to add in defense of the new age movement, then plz do it.
If you can point the right things that they do, then do it.
I can only point the things that I know and all of them are negative, and wrong. What can I do since I do not know better ?
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03-13-2013 , 02:18 PM
I've been reading Helena's books. You have a lot to sort out.

Helena 'prophesied' Jiddu K., who was the philosophical inspiration for bruce less martial art, and together with dr david bohm essentially godfathered quantum phyisics.

I've been reading Helena's books.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_IeZPchO5g

watch this first, but helena is the real version of what most people think mother teresa is
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03-13-2013 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by red_Eyes_Bot
sorry but this is BS.

Why would I try to point wrongness? No i just give the facts. If have anything to add in defense of the new age movement, then plz do it.
If you can point the right things that they do, then do it.
I can only point the things that I know and all of them are negative, and wrong. What can I do since I do not know better ?
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03-13-2013 , 03:35 PM
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Comparing the Existence of God, with the existence of unicorns is something that is not worthy of the attention of anyone over 10 years old. But yes for the new atheist is an every day practice. Whenever somebody makes this association in a God Debate you can be sure that:
a) he has 0 to nothing debating skills
b) he is definitely not trying to convince the theist, he is just making pop-culture arguments to please his emotional followers. So this not debating, this is pure populism.
c) this man/ woman is dangerous and he/ she can lie with a smile on his/ her face. And claim to be intellectual, when he is just a biologist/ physicist/ chemist.
lol wat. The comparisons to unicorns is a useful and appropriate analogy when it comes to a bunch of different theological points. Saying that someone who uses it is just a dangerous populist child with zero debating skills is ridiculous.
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03-13-2013 , 10:08 PM
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Saying that someone who uses it is just a dangerous populist child with zero debating skills is ridiculous.
It's certainly easier than refuting such an apt comparison.
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03-13-2013 , 10:11 PM
Anyway, New Age style beliefs have a lot less blood on their hands than Christianity. If I can tolerate the Church I can certainly tolerate hippy paganists and their associated brethren.
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