Prove that please...

It isn't true. Some of them saw Jesus but some of them didn't. I didn't say all Muslims saw Jesus. Same with Christians. Not all Christians saw Jesus.

However I wasn't able to find 1 case in which Muslims saw Muhammad. Why a lot of Christians see Jesus but no Muslim see Muhammad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNcPVNboooQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TC-TLFYNCQ

There's a very obvious and plausible naturalistic answer to that question. As an exercise in thinking outside your biases, why not try and work it out for yourself?

I have some naturalistic answers but they are not very convincing.
If you have a convincing naturalistic answer post it.

"Darers go first" only works on pre-teens

True. But I asked the question first.

don't people who draw pictures of muhammad get their heads chopped off? nobody knows what the guy looks like!

Because Muhammad is not their savior or God? Because like the above they have no image of him to bring up? Because they dont report it? Dont know.

This makes sense. I didn't know that Muslims didn't have an image of Muhhamad like Christians have for Jesus.

Do you know if Muslims from Iran or Saudi Arabia would report a NDE in which they met someone who said is Muhhamad, they would risk to be accused of blasphemy?

Here is a believer's answer from another forum to the theory presented by augie and batair:

"This is a good theory, however, if you look at the cases of Muslims encountering Jesus. Jesus, let's them know, that Islam is false. I'm still trying to find more, but this has occurred for all cases with Muslims, that I reviewed."

let me guess, a christian said that?

sounds rock solid to me.

Yes, a christian.

However it seems not only islam is false, but also christianity if we read hindu NDE:

"I ... found myself in the judgment hall of Yama's palace. I knew that they were ready to judge me for my sins. A giant rooster appeared who told Yama that I had killed him. He emphasized that I had tried to kill him again and again. The rooster also said that he remembered me exactly. An entire flock of roosters also [appeared] and testified that I had killed them, as well. I remembered my actions, and I had to admit that the roosters had told the truth. Yama said that I had committed many sins, and sentenced me to many rebirths both as a chicken, and many other types of birds as well.... But, quite suddenly, an enormous turtle appeared. It screamed at Yama, saying "Don't take him; he is a good human, and should be allowed to live." Yama answered the turtle "What did he do to help you?" (Murphy, "Thailand" 167)."

so if I quote a theist website that says atheism is false and an atheist website that says theism is false you'll maybe start to understand why your reasoning here is a bit silly.

You don't seem to understand sarcasm at all.

I don't believe NDE are real but just hallucinations.

When I said "However it seems not only islam is false, but also christianity if we read hindu NDE" I was sarcastic. I'm sure all religions are false.

Then make better points/threads

It's not my fault you don't understand sarcasm. The question about Muhammad wasn't sarcasm though, I didn't know muslims don't have an image of him.

ndes are "false" - right word?

Are "hallucinations". Or, more accurately, are "a product of certain brain states".

I had a near death experience once and despite being near several people, they might as well have been a thousand miles away and I felt a terrible loneliness (probably because I thought I was going to die and there was just me and no one could do anything about it, I was well and truly on my own). Ironically, I came out of that feeling even more sure of my Atheism than before.

feel free to look back over this thread if you wanted my answer to this. i had the enthusiasm back then to express my ideas eloquently and sincerely.

Yea, we went back and forth over this topic in another thread before.

Same here.

lol

http://www.skeptiko.com/eeg-expert-o...th-experience/

"“It’s very unlikely that a hypoperfused brain [someone with no blood flow to the brain], with no evidence of electrical activity could generate NDEs. Human studies as well as animal studies have typically shown very little brain perfusion [blood flow] or glucose utilization when the EEG is flat. There are deep brain areas involved in generating memories that might still operate at some very reduced level during cardiac arrest, but of course any subcortically generated activity can’t be brought to consciousness without at least one functioning cerebral hemisphere. So even if there were some way that NDEs were generated during the hypoxic state [while the brain is shut off from oxygen], you would not experience them until reperfusion [blood flow] allowed you to dream them or wake up and talk about them”, Greenfield stated."

from the same link as above:

"“For the people who had a near-death experience and out of body experience [their recollection of resuscitation] was really quite accurate and I decided then to ask the control group, the people who’d had a cardiac arrest but had no recollection of anything at all. I asked them if they would reenact their resuscitation scenario and tell me what they thought that we had done to resuscitate them. And what I found is that many of the patients couldn’t even guess as to what we’d done. They had no idea at all. And then some of them did make guesses, but these were based on TV hospital dramas that they’d seen. I found that what they reported was widely inaccurate. So there was a stark contrast really in the very accurate out of body experiences reported and then the guesses that the control group had made.”, Dr. Sartori reported."