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07-14-2012, 02:44 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Mar 2003
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My "sign from God" experience
Three weeks ago while awaiting a bus, a stranger also waiting starting talking about a visit he received from a bird 2 years ago while smoking his " last " cigarette.
This bird landed on his lap in a park and he was able to pet this wild bird and eventually when he tried to cradle it , the bird flew away.
This gentleman seemed very normal,but I didn't believe his story and told him so.
Two days later while house cleaning, I heard wild chirping. I thought a bird had gotten in the house. I tiptoed toward the front door,and lo and behold a bird was staring at me two feet away on the porch. The bird stopped chirping and just stared at me with a "chickenhawk" stance.
I turned on my video from my phone and in the next 6-7 minutes filmed and talked to this bird. Eventually he started to " angrily" chirp at me,and I swung open the porch door barely missing it at least 5 times, and the bird didn't budge an inch.
I finally tried to slip my camera phone under the door for a clearer video and dropped the phone, closing it and not able to save the video. Then finally the bird flew onto the front grass again staring up at our picture window.
Now I am in the same position telling a story without proof.
I was trying to reunite with my wife,and felt that God was maybe telling me the marriage just wasn't meant to be.
The marriage was hastily done,and has been nothing but stress, aside from good sex, and even though I am a Christian,I couldn't get my Christian wife to read the Bible with me.
A week later while at my mother's house we heard a very peaceful duck like sound also sounding like it was in the house. I ran outside to find nothing.
I felt that God was telling me this is where I should be helping out my sick mother like I was before I married my wife.
I went online a week later and found a story about a woman who prayed for a sign from God after her father , a bird lover passed away. She saw a group of Cardinals in her yard and prayed for a Cardinal to come near her as a sign.
Shortly after that she received an unsolicited package from Readers Digest. Inside was a porcelain or ceramic Cardinal with a note stating and I'm paraphrasing , " I'm sorry about your loss, I hope this helps.
The very next day my wife calls me to the back door. Something is on the ground not moving , maybe fell from a tree. I can't get to the door for a couple minutes. When I do , all of a sudden the object moves. It is a Cardinal with something in it's mouth. It stood completely still until I got to the door fooling my wife it stood so still. It's back was facing us and only when it turned to the side could you tell it was a bird and it was a Cardinal.
The next night my wife and get into a big argument again,and we are separated again.
I believe God has tried to reach me telling me it's okay to give up on the marriage and take care of my mother which my wife always was against.
I realize this was long. My prayer life has been extremely busy. I've never prayed so much as these last few weeks while trying to reconcile with a difficult marriage.
And God did use animals in the Bible. The dove that brought the twig back to Noah's ark for one.
These events are very meaningful to me. My mother has lived in the house 37 years and never heard that duck sound. I am 52,and never had a bird "visit" me. And then the Cardinal.
I've read threads asking for proof of God and mostly people point to scripture without giving personal accounts. This is just one man's personal account,but it will profoundly affect me the rest of my life.
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07-14-2012, 03:04 AM
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Formerly red
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 12,413
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
Oh, brother.................
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07-14-2012, 03:53 AM
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Tripod
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Norma's Diner
Posts: 44,850
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
I once saw a cat look at me when I lit a cigarette. I figured it Was God telling me to stop smoking. I did.
Praise the Lord!
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07-14-2012, 04:42 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: United States Posts: 9999999
Posts: 531
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
It's sad how marriage was once a sacred long life commitment and now people have to come up with stories about birds as if to cope with going against the old sacred rule.
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07-14-2012, 05:43 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,251
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
I mean how can people really believe in this ****? It's ridiculous
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07-14-2012, 08:02 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,024
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
[ ] Link to Video
Always knew i shoulda paid more attention to the birds growing up
Also, would thoroughly enjoy reading more stories don't let me down believers
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07-14-2012, 12:59 PM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 993
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
A while ago, I was sitting on my couch masturbating to some porn. Normally, while I'm doing this, I keep my eyes focused on the TV, but on this particular occasion, out of my periphery, I saw a cardinal devouring a worm. I tried to ignore it and keep "releasing my inner energy" but couldn't. This made me incredibly frustrated. I got pissed off and got my gun and shot the little bastard. Then I went back to masturbating, but found that my erection had gone soft. Ever since, I have been afflicted with erectile disfunction. I now realize that the cardinal devouring the worm was a message from god foreshadowing my impotence.
So I see where you're coming from with this story.
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07-14-2012, 01:17 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,516
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
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07-14-2012, 01:29 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2011
Location: P(G) = 0.02%
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
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07-14-2012, 01:34 PM
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banned
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Don't forget. You are loved by God.
Posts: 18,896
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
This is a very bad place to post this in Shock & Awe.
You need to find the mature religious people to share with.
Gordon Allport
In his classic book The Individual and His Religion (1950), Gordon Allport (1897–1967) illustrates how people may use religion in different ways.[9] He makes a distinction between Mature religion and Immature religion. Mature religious sentiment is how Allport characterized the person whose approach to religion is dynamic, open-minded, and able to maintain links between inconsistencies. In contrast, immature religion is self-serving and generally represents the negative stereotypes that people have about religion. More recently, this distinction has been encapsulated in the terms "intrinsic religion", referring to a genuine, heartfelt devout faith, and "extrinsic religion", referring to a more utilitarian use of religion as a means to an end, such as church attendance to gain social status. These dimensions of religion were measured on the Religious Orientation Scale of Allport and Ross (1967). A third form of religious orientation has been described by Daniel Batson. This refers to treatment of religion as an open-ended search (Batson, Schoenrade & Ventis, 1993). More specifically, it has been seen by Batson as comprising a willingness to view religious doubts in a positive manner, acceptance that religious orientation can change and existential complexity, the belief that one's religious beliefs should be shaped from personal crises that one has experienced in one's life. Batson refers to extrinsic, intrinsic and quest respectively as Religion-as-means, religion-as-end and religion-as-quest, and measures these constructs on the Religious Life Inventory (Batson, Schoenrade & Ventis, 1993).
The majority posting on here in contrast with Jung have a very narrow view of empiricism.
"Jung had a very broad view of what it means to be empirical. Suppose, for example, one person hears something whereas someone else near that person does not. If only one person experiences something, for Jung it is an empirical observation. For most contemporary scientists, however, it would not be considered an empirical observation. Because of this, there has been little research in the psychology of religion from a Jungian perspective."
2 quotes above from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_religion
They spend a lot of time trying to conform reality to science on here but science isn't as multidisciplinary as a search by the human race for God requires.
God on the other hand says: in Romans 12:2 "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is —his good, pleasing and perfect will."
God is multidisciplinary in His approach. You can tell by the number of people who claim Him from different disciplines both inside and outside of science.
Last edited by Splendour; 07-14-2012 at 01:50 PM.
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07-14-2012, 01:58 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: May you live to throw 1,000 shoes
Posts: 3,148
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
Camping in Alaska we met this Mormon who was a nice guy and polite enough not to hit us with the proselytizing until the end. His literature said that if a person truly opened his heart and asked God for a sign of his presence, God would answer.
So in the interest of remaining open minded, I decided to try it. I figured when I was waking up from sleep would be the best time, because all my atheist-scientific skepticism would not be on-line yet and I could ask for a sign with real sincerity.
So while I was nodding out during a car ride, I suddenly remembered and asked sincerely for a touch from God.
Nothing happened.
I resumed my life.
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07-14-2012, 02:02 PM
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banned
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Don't forget. You are loved by God.
Posts: 18,896
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
Camping in Alaska we met this Mormon who was a nice guy and polite enough not to hit us with the proselytizing until the end. His literature said that if a person truly opened his heart and asked God for a sign of his presence, God would answer.
So in the interest of remaining open minded, I decided to try it. I figured when I was waking up from sleep would be the best time, because all my atheist-scientific skepticism would not be on-line yet and I could ask for a sign with real sincerity.
So while I was nodding out during a car ride, I suddenly remembered and asked sincerely for a communication from God.
Nothing happened.
I resumed my life.
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Yeah, well God's in charge of the timing not the Mormon fellow.
Besides did you ever think to ask God to grant you the openness first?
If you read Elisha in 2 Kings he made an appeal to God for openness and for closedness of the people around him in one of the situations he found himself in.
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07-14-2012, 03:19 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,516
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
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Originally Posted by Splendour
If you read Elisha in 2 Kings he made an appeal to God for openness and for closedness of the people around him in one of the situations he found himself in.
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and then God murdered children... God is great!
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07-14-2012, 03:32 PM
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banned
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Don't forget. You are loved by God.
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
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Originally Posted by gskowal
and then God murdered children... God is great!
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You don't even know the bible as you just mixed up passages without any regard to context whatsoever. Your statements make you sound like you're not even in possession of a free thinking, deliberative mind and you certainly never checked any history except the parts that confirm your own bias.
The Qur'an wasn't written til nearly the 7th Century yet the Jews and the Christians were fighting infanticide way earlier.
wiki on infanticide:
Arabia
The pre-Islamic Arabian society practiced infanticide as a form of "post-partum birth control".[47] Regarding the prevalence of this practice, we know it was "common enough among the pre-Islamic Arabs to be assigned a specific term, waʾd".[48] Infanticide was practiced either out of destitution (thus practiced on males and females alike), or as sacrifices to gods, or as "disappointment and fear of social disgrace felt by a father upon the birth of a daughter".[47]
Some authors believe that there is little evidence that infanticide was prevalent in pre-Islamic Arabia or early Muslim history, except for the case of the Tamim tribe, who practiced it during severe famine.[49] Others state that "female infanticide was common all over Arabia during this period of time" (pre-Islamic Arabia), especially by burying alive a female newborn.[8][50]
Infanticide is explicitly prohibited by the Qur'an.[51] "And do not kill your children for fear of poverty; We give them sustenance and yourselves too; surely to kill them is a great wrong." [52]
The Qur'an rejected the practice of infanticide. Together with polytheism and homicide, infanticide was regarded as a grave sin (see 6:151 and 60:12).[47] Infanticide is also implicitly denounced in the story of Pharaoh's slaughter of the male children of Israelites (see 2:49; 7:127; 7:141; 14:6; 28:4 ;40:25).- end quote
Don't you know that animals in the wild frequently kill the young of their own species?
Let's go backward into atheism so we can start killing babies all over again.
It's what the devil really wants anyway: the whole destruction of the human race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
Last edited by Splendour; 07-14-2012 at 03:36 PM.
Reason: punctuation.
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07-14-2012, 04:09 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Earth...
Posts: 3,516
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Re: My "sign from God" experience
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Originally Posted by Splendour
You don't even know the bible as you just mixed up passages without any regard to context whatsoever. Your statements make you sound like you're not even in possession of a free thinking, deliberative mind and you certainly never checked any history except the parts that confirm your own bias.
The Qur'an wasn't written til nearly the 7th Century yet the Jews and the Christians were fighting infanticide way earlier.
wiki on infanticide:
Arabia
The pre-Islamic Arabian society practiced infanticide as a form of "post-partum birth control".[47] Regarding the prevalence of this practice, we know it was "common enough among the pre-Islamic Arabs to be assigned a specific term, waʾd".[48] Infanticide was practiced either out of destitution (thus practiced on males and females alike), or as sacrifices to gods, or as "disappointment and fear of social disgrace felt by a father upon the birth of a daughter".[47]
Some authors believe that there is little evidence that infanticide was prevalent in pre-Islamic Arabia or early Muslim history, except for the case of the Tamim tribe, who practiced it during severe famine.[49] Others state that "female infanticide was common all over Arabia during this period of time" (pre-Islamic Arabia), especially by burying alive a female newborn.[8][50]
Infanticide is explicitly prohibited by the Qur'an.[51] "And do not kill your children for fear of poverty; We give them sustenance and yourselves too; surely to kill them is a great wrong." [52]
The Qur'an rejected the practice of infanticide. Together with polytheism and homicide, infanticide was regarded as a grave sin (see 6:151 and 60:12).[47] Infanticide is also implicitly denounced in the story of Pharaoh's slaughter of the male children of Israelites (see 2:49; 7:127; 7:141; 14:6; 28:4 ;40:25).- end quote
Don't you know that animals in the wild frequently kill the young of their own species?
Let's go backward into atheism so we can start killing babies all over again.
It's what the devil really wants anyway: the whole destruction of the human race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
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