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Old 06-02-2011, 01:38 PM   #1
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The Moral Monster ...

is the atheist. For if God doesn't exist it is the atheist that runs the con and spins the fraud. The great pretension, "The Noble Lie", that the cold, vast, dark universe, meaningless under all reasonable definitions of meaning, without purpose and void, can yet produce anything of beauty, goodness, truth, value, joy or wonder - that is the true child abuser. To look into the eyes of a child whose mother is painfully wasting away under the ravages of the big c and tell him ... what? The truth? Lie about it? Does it matter? It is morally monstrous to pretend there is anything but the redness of tooth and claw, the utter narcissistic egoism of a blind and selfish gene, a fragile and ludicrous clinging to the ghost of a thought of reason that is actually the bastard child of chance and necessity and the impotent slave of ironclad fatalism.

If there is the slightest shred of a possibility that God exists, that Christianity is true, that there is purpose, meaning, system, freedom, that it's actually worthwhile to think, learn, observe and hope, then I consign atheism to the dungheap of thought - for why even bother to think unless God exists?

I gotta stop reading Cormac McCarthy.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:53 PM   #2
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[...] that God exists, that Christianity is true, that there is purpose, meaning, system, freedom, that it's actually worthwhile to think, learn, observe and hope[...]
Not sure why you bothered to spell all of this out when it's clearly saying the same thing in different words... or isn't it?
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:57 PM   #3
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"for why even bother to think unless God exists?
I exist so I bother...
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:59 PM   #4
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I exist so I bother...
I bother therefore I am.

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God or gtfo.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:06 PM   #5
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This is why it has always amuses me when atheists accuse theists of "deluding themselves into belief in God". Yet they simultaneously delude themselves (within the contextual implications of their worldview) into belief in a system of binding moral ethics. Even those atheists who concede that morality can only be subjective (again; tethered to their worldview), still make moral objections against others all the time. Such hypocricy.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:10 PM   #6
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is the atheist. For if God doesn't exist it is the atheist that runs the con and spins the fraud. The great pretension, "The Noble Lie", that the cold, vast, dark universe, meaningless under all reasonable definitions of meaning, without purpose and void, can yet produce anything of beauty, goodness, truth, value, joy or wonder - that is the true child abuser. To look into the eyes of a child whose mother is painfully wasting away under the ravages of the big c and tell him ... what? The truth? Lie about it? Does it matter? It is morally monstrous to pretend there is anything but the redness of tooth and claw, the utter narcissistic egoism of a blind and selfish gene, a fragile and ludicrous clinging to the ghost of a thought of reason that is actually the bastard child of chance and necessity and the impotent slave of ironclad fatalism.

If there is the slightest shred of a possibility that God exists, that Christianity is true, that there is purpose, meaning, system, freedom, that it's actually worthwhile to think, learn, observe and hope, then I consign atheism to the dungheap of thought - for why even bother to think unless God exists?

I gotta stop reading Cormac McCarthy.
Is this a quotation?

As to the content, it is just an incoherent mess, claiming that both nihilism and selfishness are entailed by atheism, and also that atheists shouldn't lie about this entailment, but that it is okay for you to accept these lies because otherwise it would just be like, really depressing man.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:13 PM   #7
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I gotta stop reading Cormac McCarthy.
Obviously this post was written under the influence of something.

I don't for a minute agree with your post (I think our lives hold extravagant meaning)... But even if it were true that we live in a cold dark universe devoid of any meaning, it doesn't make the contrary true.

It is childish to think that just because you don't like or understand something, then the opposite must be true.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:15 PM   #8
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This is why it has always amuses me when atheists accuse theists of "deluding themselves into belief in God". Yet they simultaneously delude themselves (within the contextual implications of their worldview) into belief in a system of binding moral ethics. Even those atheists who concede that morality can only be subjective (again; tethered to their worldview), still make moral objections against others all the time. Such hypocricy.
How is it hypocritical to acknowledge that morality is subjective but to still make moral objections? This is like saying, "Now that I know that my liking broccoli is subjective, I don't like broccoli anymore."

Also, how is it a contextual implication of the atheist's worldview that there is no morality?
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:18 PM   #9
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Is this a quotation?
Best compliment I've had in a while.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:21 PM   #10
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Best compliment I've had in a while.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:21 PM   #11
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Obviously this post was written under the influence of something.
Halfway through The Road. Have read Blood Meridian and seen No Country For Old Men. I think he's the greatest talent since Faulkner - and so badly wasted.


Edit: Not a complete waste because NCFOM inspired this:

http://www.angryalien.com/aa/nocountryforoldmenbuns.asp
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exiCc...eature=related

morality is an illusion
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:29 PM   #13
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Sorry, I don't watch random youtube videos, can you summarize his argument?
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:34 PM   #14
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It is childish to think that just because you don't like or understand something, then the opposite must be true.
You took the words right outta my mouth.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:35 PM   #15
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Another post of yours illustrating that atheists shouldn't bother.

Last edited by ctyri; 06-02-2011 at 02:36 PM. Reason: ...continuing debating with you (9000+ posts and still at fallacy #1)
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