Well, I can't blame her, she comes from a culture where she pretty well has to give the big A credit. Not that I doubt she's sincere, of course sincerity isn't evidence of being right.

Yes, but the "...and that's why God's a douche, reason 57. Now for reason 58..."-type arguments are levelled against the Abrahamic God as described by his followers i.e. wise, kind, just, loving etc. as opposed to how the holy texts describe him.

Sure, but you are essentially arguing with someone who either doesn't know or does not want to know their holy book. More clever believers tend to adopt a more agnostic stance towards their God's morals; "I can't know his reasoning", "He works in mysterious ways"... and a fair few will even admit that God is not always nice.


Though, I think there is an argument to be held against "God's morals", both biblically and if you assume a "meddling god": Biblically the morals of God seem completely dependant on the cultural and political nature of the times the narratives were accepted into their respective holy works. In terms of a meddling God, the morals seem random.

If you ask me, both these observations are good arguments, not only against God... but against the existence of God.

im here to say that I know god is morally perfect and that his lovingkindness is everlasting
and at the same time i cant fathom his wisdom

but when you say he isnt always nice... always nice to who? no hes not always nice to workers of iniquity.

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Psalm 11:5-7
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

Psalm 139:20
For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

He's not always nice to his followers either. When he sent angels to Lot in Sodom and Lot took them in, a gang of locals showed up determined to 'know' the angels (i.e. sodomize them). Instead, Lot offered up his virgin daughters to be gang raped. God allowed that to happen.

Then when Lot and his wife were leaving Sodom, she looked back to witness the fire and brimstone and God turned her into a pillar of salt. Nice.... there are so many examples of how God is not loving, or kind or moral in the OT alone.

Yes, but you are a gimmick account doing the unforgivable sin of not even being funny.

I want to nominate Reshma for Times "Person of the year"

here is the first press conference she did. Looking back on this story I think I would go nuts after 6 hours in dark isolation, this women who is my hero withstood the darkness for 17 days with basically nothing.

Reshma is asking people to pray for her, I will glady pray for Reshma

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/world/...lding-collapse

You know nothing Jon Snow.

She didn't have nothing did she, she had Allah and the comfort of knowing that Allah put here there. Allah is my nominee for person of the year/all time.

So you believe in the efficacy of prayer or are you doing it for some other reason?

Haha exactly. Miracles haha this is always so funny.
A plane fall and kills 189 people and one survives and lose a cople limbs and it was a miracle from god.
Wtf? The person is useless and he let other 189 die how it that a miracle?
If we held doctors to same standards then having a .05% survival rate will be a miracle. Wake up!

Loser haha.

17 days after the 1995 Sampoong Department Store collapse, a woman was also rescued. Praise Allah!

Has she ever been sick a day in her life? If no, she may want to consult with Mr. Glass

Seems appropriate:

Without taking anything away from the remarkable story of survival, where did you get the info about the amount of food and water available? It doesn't match either of the articles from the OP. The story also talks about flooded areas, which perhaps was another source of water for this young woman.

"She also had found water and food, though her food apparently became rotten and inedible two days ago. Garment workers usually bring their lunches and it is possible she was trapped in an area where lunches had been stored."



Digressing:
The description of the story makes it sound like she would have been aware of the search and rescue efforts going on, right? This makes me think about the differences in motivation when you are expecting help to come along, vs the loneliness and desperation that must be felt if you had no idea whether help was coming or not.

There is an old CSI episode (from Grissam's days) when CSI Stokes was buried alive in a coffin, along with a camera that was broadcasting his image so that the rest of his team could see him (but not the other way around). Stokes still had his side-arm with him, and as the situation gets increasingly dire, we watch him go through an emotional battle as he contemplates suicide (the actor did a really great job imo).

Putting aside how realistic that story might have been, it did make me think about what people would do if they were trapped in a bleak and terminal situation, anticipating a slow and excruciating death - at what point would you take matters into your own hands? Not knowing whether anyone was even looking for you might be the most unbearable part.



PS Are you, thekid345, also the OP (Freedom Fighter)?

[QUOTE=BeaucoupFish;38528204]...Putting aside how realistic that story might have been, it did make me think about what people would do if they were trapped in a bleak and terminal situation, anticipating a slow and excruciating death - at what point would you take matters into your own hands? Not knowing whether anyone was even looking for you might be the most unbearable part.
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Hmm, interesting point. Logically, after maybe after fourteen days, any sensible non-believer would think that killing herself is the logical thing to do. Why suffer? It would not be unreasonable to consider suicide. But maybe in her case, her faith in Allah kept her going to the end and it saved her life.

sigh

Reshma ftw what an amazing human.

[QUOTE=Pokerlogist;38537602][QUOTE=BeaucoupFish;38528204]...Putting aside how realistic that story might have been, it did make me think about what people would do if they were trapped in a bleak and terminal situation, anticipating a slow and excruciating death - at what point would you take matters into your own hands? Not knowing whether anyone was even looking for you might be the most unbearable part.
I have been trying to explain this to folks but they are all against Allah which is fine IMO. its your right to believe in Reshmas strength thru god, weather you believe it or not this story is remarkable, 17 days in complete darkness, can someone explain how a human can last in these dire circumstances? Again weather you believe in a higher power or not this story is downright awesome.

I'm pretty sure that what you mean by 'strength thru god' and what BF meant by 'faith in Allah' are not the same. Reshma may have taken strength from her belief but that doesn't mean that Allah exists, only that she believes that he does.

If gods aren't real, why do we have religion? Is there an evolutionary explanation for our behaviour? Reshma's survival, through her belief, is the type of case that just reinforces my own suspicion that religion has survived and prospered because it has historically conferred a survival advantage.

A few weeks on and we now know that Reshma had a water supply, some food, was in good health and young, and had an adequate supply of oxygen and was not at risk of dying by asphyxiation. How kind of Allah to provide the necessary survival conditions.

Reshma made contact with three other survivors following the collapse of the building, trapped in the rubble near where Reshma was trapped. They all died. I'm curious, do Muslims have an explanation for why they died while Reshma lived?

Also, when Atheists survive in similar situations, is it still considered miraculous?

we could put you in the same situation as Reshma went thru, why have you been undermining this amazing woman post after post , ??? I can say if a Bangladeshi was reading this thread they would surley find your message highly offensive. I'm sure your a wonderful person but just keep in mind we all have our beliefs

lol. I think you're missing my point entirely. I'm attempting to discredit the idea that it was a miracle of Allah.

Did you ask this question?

Yes, I can, and I did. She was young, fit, had food and water and enough air. It's remarkable that she survived but it's not a miracle.

Per RGT standards, the accepted norm here is that we wouldn't be atheists in such a situation. It has something to do with levers, our lack of conviction and in some cases our poor moral fibre.