Thanks for the explanation.

I'm in the UK and we don't really have the same issue with a very vocal christian right, although the catholic church can get a little vocal at times. It seems to be much more of an American thing thankfully.

Nm. I thought you were a Christian.

A++++.

I'll leave believers to meditate and pray on that one.

I'm not the ultimate authority in this world.

lilprog,

alright...i'm changing my mind. Start it up.

apparently i haven't yet washed myself of the arrogant "it's not this, it's not that" christian teachings i was once exposed to...

it's a good idea, do it...i wouldn't want to be involved though if you're keeping a count.

OK so I was thinking about this for a second.

Given that this guy believes that both God and the Devil exist, and given that he believes that the Devil is murdering and crippling and torturing millions of people per year, and that basically the only thing God is doing to stop it is putting newspapers in places where people who are good candidates for careers in the clergy will find them, why on earth does he think God is more powerful than the Devil? And if the Devil is more powerful than God, isn't he more deserving of praise than God?

It's a serious question, albeit masked by insincerity. When praying for guidance, how do Christians differentiate between God telling them what to do and just their id? If I legitimately believed in God and had a serious drug problem and if, when I prayed, I was convinced that God was telling me to stay the course, what would be the appropriate course of action?

I know you'll probably say something like "God's will is written on all of our hearts and he doesn't want anybody to debilitate their bodies with harmful substances," but I don't suscribe to because of the whole pshyco/socio path dilemma.

Sorry but I don't have an answer for you.

But I recommend you do some independent research into it because when you do that you tend to make critical discoveries on any God topic you choose to familiarize yourself with.

Keeping a count?

No, and you have to understand that it is probably the only thing in my life where I don`t reexamine it regularly to make sure I`m not missing something. I tend to reflect alot of my beliefs and thoughts on things to make sure I still feel I have an accuratte view. But not about this....


I`m not quite sure what this means or looks like. Example?

Why is this belief any different than any of your other beliefs? If everyone thought this way God would basically be playing geographical bingo with everyone's souls.

If you do do this lilprog I hope you start your own site and not think too much like this writer:

How Should Christians Share Their Faith?
My Mixed Feelings About Proselytizing
http://voices.yahoo.com/how-christia...43.html?cat=34

The writer above is walking on eggshells more than walking in faith.

What Does it mean to be "Walking on Eggshells"?
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-it...-eggshells.htm

When you walk on eggshells you're deferring to the crazier people and letting them subvert you from a critical mission for God.

If you study negative personality types much you'll find it's the saner people walking on eggshells around the crazier types they know.

But Jesus Christ said to step out in confidence, didn't he? Praise him round the clock to anybody and everybody.

The man writing the article is the pale imitation. This world likes us to mirror Jesus Christ weakly but if we weren't so weak more people would be saved.

Start your group then man. It's weak though, straight up, on a spiritual level. It doesn't seem to be based on any real, lasting foundation. You want poker players to get together and encourage one another and state poker is okay. Laugh. Whatever, do it. To what extent are the members really going to be involved with one another in each others spiritual walk. What is the basis. What are you going to be grounded on? Seems more like a political group...but whatever, do it. There's plenty of weak christian groups that benefit the kingdom. I'm just to picky or something...don't listen to me...I'm unrealistic...I'm a dreamer. Oh wait, start a "christian" group (in part about something that doesn't even matter) with views in direct opposition to other "christian" groups...that's smart. - I'm being sarcastic. Oh wait, start a "christian" group which may influence how a child thinks in response to his parent's instruction. - I'm being sarcastic. Some legitimate christians are just plain stupid, they don't get poker, they don't get math, they were lazy when it was presented to them in school, and they never understood it...they hate it and don't see why people should use it. What, is your group going to educate the masses about numbers...I doubt it. Maybe I'm the one with the problem though, maybe I doubt too much.


good luck though, seriously. sorry about my tact or whatever...remember i dont think when posting on twoplustwo

I think you have misunderstood my goals a bit..

#1 goal is to represent truth.....

yes as a result of that #1 goal, I will be representing poker players who have been chastized by judgemental Christians. Yes I will be publically walking out my faith in casinos all over the US. Yes I`ll be vocal about who Jesus is and how He loves poker players.... Yes I do hope that alot of "followers" might have their eyes open and see poker for the sport it is....

I am actually not here to be political, I was simply stating there was a benefit politically to something like this and that even non Christians would get some value in this.

Better post a tour schedule i don't want to miss the show when it comes to the south eastern US casinos