Yeah, us evil atheists wouldn't stand back and watch a deranged lunatic murder schoolchildren. How terrible of us.

take this to the extreme, gunth. if we had all the world's children (under 18) in one area, and one person was going to press a button which would drop a nuke and kill them all, would you kill that person? for the sake of this question assume that its 100% that he will kill them if you dont shoot him.

I thought we already were taking it to the extreme? But why not? Let's get nuts...

I'm guessing Gunth would be willing to live in a childless world and chalk it up to god's will. I'm further guessing that if this person could kill all the women on the planet with the press of a button, Gunth would happily allow it figuring it was a sign from Revelations or something. I'll let Gunth answer for himself. I just like guessing to see if I'm right.

btw- And people want to know why we waste time on here trying to talk sense into people with god-on-the-brain? It's not hard to imagine an elected president who would view a nuclear holocaust as some kind of biblical sign of the rapture and happily take part in it. This is truly scary stuff. Gunth is the first person I've personally ran into who actually seems to be admitting that he would let atrocities occur if that's what he think god wanted, rather than think for himself in such a situation.

I would love to hear input from these people along with Scripture. Unfortunately this is just not happening.

And it is not like those things are being fully suppressed. I am in fact, very defensive. But i just don't see myself being able to take a life. I was in a fight once 10 years back or so, and i had the person down to the ground with my fist raised over his head, and i looked into his eyes, and i could not throw that blow. There are certain things i am just not capable of doing. However i do think i am capable of disabling a person if it was needed and it was God's Will.

It is not like i am suppressing those things, i just try to look at it from different angles. Like i said in another thread, if i saw a family member getting raped right in front of me, right now, my instinct would be to stop it. And i don't see how i would be able to stop myself.

My view of this topic is just not something atheists are not capable of understanding because they just haven't begun to accept God's Word, and experience the miracle of living that life.

No it is not like atheists are unable to have good intentions. It is more like their hearts aren't in the right place.

Could you give me a judgment of where my hearts going wrong.

You aren't living your life in accordance with Gunth's interpretation of the bible.

I dont think thats going to be possible.

You should browse around on this forum maybe find an answer, otherwise make a topic here im sure the pastor would be happy to help

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=40960

Just to be clear, because no one picked up on this, what you meant here is that you're fine with Nazis and Jews killing each other, so long as Christians stay out of it, right?

Once you buy the lie that your own brain is worthless and God made it that way on purpose, it's very very hard to come back. Gunth thinks this way, which kind of makes me wonder why he doesn't just sit in his room and pray all day.

Gunth, you have already decided that your own decision making process is completely worthless, why continue posting or talking or even breathing? You're not going to ever do anything worthwhile until you are willing to take your own brain, with its faults, and realize that it isn't worthless.

I do care that Non-Christians kill each other. I don't care less because that person is Non-Christian. If anything i care more that that person who hasn't found Christ died. But i don't think Christians are permitted to intervene in a way that takes life.

You are more then welcome to explain how anything i believe can be interpreted differently. I encourage it.

Yeah totally man, like these *******s:

I was just clarifying that you were basically treating Nazis exterminating jews as two evils killing each other. And basically implying that they were equivalent evils. No surprise since this was the type of thing you said when you first started posting here. Clearly your views haven't changed.

Folks, aside from there being no way to ever reason with Gunth, he holds some truly despicable views. Time to stop engaging him, IMO, and just let him go on his way.

Here Gunth, last time, watch this. Bet you haven't seen so many evil people in one place before eh?

http://www1.yadvashem.org/exhibition...dia/index.HTML

Arouet, were the Jews going around exterminating all the Nazis?

Do you not see evil in the Nazis exterminating the Jews? I do.

You are kind of twisting what i said around. I was trying to point out that there is purpose in all things. And one beneficial thing for Christians that follow God's Word, is that they don't have to go against it even in times that it looks like they should.

I've given you enough chances to gracefully back out of what amounts to a severely warped and horrific viewpoint by almost anyone's standards. But I think you've made yourself perfectly clear: You would rather see mass genocide than kill. You would rather see innocent little kids slaughtered than kill. Gotcha... Now go back to your make-believe world of religion and pray that you're never called upon to do the right thing in such a situation. If I were a praying man, I'd pray that you never have to make an important decision in your life.

I guess you missed this Lestat:

These views are not grounded. In time, they may very well be. As of right now it is my instinct to share your feelings that i could not watch mass people being murdered if i had the power to stop one deranged killer.

Some thread music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbAibPA2yY

THANK YOU! Can I consider this a win? Pleeeeassse?

Unless I missed it I have not seen where you've intimated this before. You kept dodging it. But if you are now saying that barring any biblical information that you do otherwise, you WOULD use lethal force to stop a madman from gunning down children, I can sleep better tonight.

If you've already said this, I apologize. I honestly didn't see it and I thought I was tracking this thread pretty closely. Congrats Gunth!

Lestat, when Gunth first came here he intimated strongly that the holocaust was God's will. ITT he has intimated strongly that Nazis killing Jews is one evil group killing another. There is no winning with someone who holds these views. We can only hope that they are never in a position of authority. We should also not encourage the propagation of these views by not engaging with him and hoping that he will go away. I've tried as much as anyone to get through to him and to make him see how vile these views are. He is a lost cause.

Frankly, I would hope to see his fellow christians denounce these sentiments. Curious why no one has.

No Arouet, you are wrong. I simply stated it was my guess that any Jew that survived was on their knees praying. That is not holding a strong view. You have lied so much over this issue and i feel sorry for you that you have to do that. Have i lied about you or something? The truth is i don't know exactly why that all happened.

I do know that the Nazis were successful in their extermination of the Jews but then failed when they tried to go beyond that.

Are you also curious as to why me and many other atheists haven't denounced his views?

Would also like to add that family guy had a mini skit on the same topic Arouet, saying pretty much the same thing.

Personally, I would kill to defend myself. But I can definitely respect your decision not to Gunth, even if I am far from understanding it.