IQ of Liberal vs Dogmatic Theists - Page 8 - Religion, God, and Theology

Max Raker · 03-03-2011, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NotReady

Give me a quote.

The OP

**David Sklansky** · 03-03-2011, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NotReady

I don't have any reason to believe what you say is true because I have no idea who or how many people really believe in a personal God but don't believe anything about Him - how is that even possible?

But I have no interest in contesting that - as I've repeated many times now, there is a notable exception - smart people who believe the Bible will believe, dogmatically, specific things about God. So your generalization is incorrect re smart Bible believers.

My OP was not about smart bible believers. As for those who believe in a personal God, why do you doubt that many think, for example, that they can't be sure whether Jews or Christians are correct?

Now please address my new thread with you in the title.

Max Raker · 03-03-2011, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NotReady

But I have no interest in contesting that - as I've repeated many times now, there is a notable exception - smart people who believe the Bible will believe, dogmatically, specific things about God. So your generalization is incorrect re smart Bible believers.

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Originally Posted by Jake7777

No, it's that on average, with a large sample size there's a strong correlation, meaning that all things being equal, the intelligent person gravitates towards moderate to heavy skepticism while the unintelligent person is far more likely to lack critical thinking skills that would lead them away from dogmatic theism and may also gravitate towards simpler explanations. There's a whole host of reasons why you could find an individual exception to this (access to information, upbringing, community etc.).

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NotReady · 03-03-2011, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Raker

The OP

Heh. Check out DS' last post.

NotReady · 03-03-2011, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

My OP was not about smart bible believers. As for those who believe in a personal God, why do you doubt that many think, for example, that they can't be sure whether Jews or Christians are correct?

Now please address my new thread with you in the title.

I know that. I posted because you didn't mention them but, a la Dawkins and his clan (people like MR), you lumped them in with a vague, general, unspecified class. There may be, probably are, other exceptions. But I'm intimately familiar with this exception and felt duty bound to defend them.

NotReady · 03-03-2011, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Raker

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Notable and individual are not synonyms. I would beat you on vocabulary. Big time.

Max Raker · 03-03-2011, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NotReady

Heh. Check out DS' last post.

It has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Which is why smart people who think a personal god exists are much less likely to believe to some level of certainty that the bible/koran/etc is accurate in the details compared to a dumb person.

(I am not certain these smart people who believe strongly in the bible even exist, but it doesn't mean david's argument is wrong even if they do)

Jake7777 · 03-03-2011, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NotReady

Notable and individual are not synonyms. I would beat you on vocabulary. Big time.

what is "notable" about them? they are a very small minority that bucks a much larger trend, the reasons for which can be explained by the accumulation of factors that may affect individuals. I can almost guarantee you that a well-educated, intelligent adult raised by non-theists in a somewhat secular community has effectively a 0% chance of becoming dogmatically religious.

Max Raker · 03-03-2011, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NotReady

Notable and individual are not synonyms. I would beat you on vocabulary. Big time.

Lolz.... you could have substituted notable for individual in his post and it is the same. My vocabulary isn't great but I would think I could beat you.

NotReady · 03-03-2011, 03:12 AM

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Lolz.... you could have substituted notable for individual in his post and it is the same. My vocabulary isn't great but I would think I could beat you.

Based on this post I have a lock.

NotReady · 03-03-2011, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake7777

what is "notable" about them?

Study some history.

Jake7777 · 03-03-2011, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NotReady

Study some history.

At least attempt to address the point. And try to get your tenses sorted out.

Max Raker · 03-03-2011, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NotReady

Based on this post I have a lock.

Yikes... I can't really even tell if you believe this stuff anymore. The post I quoted was directly talking about the issue you mentioned. End of story.

NotReady · 03-03-2011, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake7777

At least attempt to address the point. And try to get your tenses sorted out.

Which(edit) tenses do you imagine are unsorted?

NotReady · 03-03-2011, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Raker

Yikes... I can't really even tell if you believe this stuff anymore. The post I quoted was directly talking about the issue you mentioned. End of story.

Talking about an issue isn't the same as using vocabulary correctly. Seems I have you on reasoning ability as well.