Watching a program on the history channel a few weeks back they presented a theory by Zarins that the Garden of Eden now lies just below the Persian Gulf.

Some background on it: http://ldolphin.org/eden/

Its pretty amusing when you think about how certain people intend evolution to be a controlling theory. Some how I think Darwin never intended his theory to be used like is being done in this thread.

Juris Zarins is a famous archaeologist and if the theory of evolution has to control everything then I guess archaeology and a lot of other sciences and the pursuit of scientific knowledge by them is now obsolete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Zarins

You're using evolution to rule out an archaeologist's view. His view is based on evidence he's compiled.

Since when is it scientific to rule out evidence based on a scientific theory?

It seems you want to make the claim that theists need evidence yet you want the evidence ejected on some other grounds before it's examined.

That is dogmatic. I don't think science can be dogmatic because it requires constant re-evaluation. Of course, atheism can be dogmatic because science and atheism aren't one and the same.

Someone comes up to me and says "Einstein was wrong, the key to physics is actually your inner chi, and I know a guy who wrote a paper about it and even though it says general relativity is wrong you have to look at it and prove to me why its wrong or else your dogmatic"

... give me a break.




edit: no but really not to pull a personal attack or anything but this really shows your ignorance of the (scientific) theory of evolution.

This is an archaeological opinion.

If you can't separate archaeology from biology and evaluate it neutrally then you have just made evolution a controlling theory.

I haven't made anything anything, It is what it is.

"How dare you use mathematics in engineering that would seem to suggest it's a controlling theory."

AFAIK evolution isn't a scientific law.

Also the theory is most likely only one line of an incomplete set of lines of human origins. Epigenetics, the human genome, etc. are still coming in with new information.

But go ahead and rule archaeology out. Most likely none of us will be even posting in this forum if you have to eat crow later.

Idk why you are asserting I "rule archaeology out." And gravity is not a law either ... only a theory that stops you from taking the window instead of the stairs. Come on Splendour... Garden of Edan, Hogwarts, Minis Tirith, this is real life were talking about here...

Science does impact science.

The basic theory of evolution runs contrary to the basic idea behind genetics and while people were caught up in the discovery of the ideas of evolution Mendel's ideas on genetics were almost lost.

Darwin was claiming creatures can change into other creatures while Mendel was claiming individual characteristics remain constant. They were contemporaries of each other yet Darwin's work overshadowed Mendel's.

Mendel had to be rediscovered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel

Do you think popularity of theory had any role in that?

Sorry but I'm going to move on to the next thread.

Ok. Have a nice day!

Interesting article. RTB has said for a long time that Eden is probably under the Gulf.

One of the interesting things about Zarins account is it tries to bridge between hunter gatherer and the current agricultural period. Atheists are fond of saying religion retarded science but relative to a human hunter and gathering period we haven't been in an agricultural phase all that long.

I'm wondering now if religion is the societal civilizing influence that let people come and form more complex societies. You need a cooperative group to form societies and religion cements bonds through rituals.

I'm looking at my blood type diet book by Dr. Peter J. D'Adamo and under his first chapter "Blood Type: The Real Evolution Revolution" he says:

"As the human race moved around and was forced to adopt its diet to changing conditions, the new diet provoked adaptations in the digestive tract and immune system necessary for it to first survive and later thrive in each new habitat. These changes are reflected in the development of the blood types, which appear to have arrived at critical junctures of human development:

1. The ascent of humans to the top of the food chain (evolution of Type O to its fullest expression).

2. The change from hunter-gatherer to a more domesticated agrarian lifestyle (appearance of Type A).

3. The merging and migration of the races from the African homeland to Europe, Asia and the Americas (development of Type B).

4. The modern intermingling of disparate groups (the arrival of Type AB).

Each blood type contains the genetic message of our ancestors' diets and behaviors, and though we're a long way away from early history, many of their traits still affect us. Knowing these predispositions helps us to understand the logic of the blood type diets." from Eat Right 4 Your Type by Dr. Peter J. Adamo.

Notice that the blood type changed right around the agricultural stage. The Type A predispositions helped increase the ability for people to pursue agriculture as a way of life. D'Adamo lists Type O at around 30,000 BC, Type A around 25,000 to 15,000 BC, Type B around 10,000-3,500 B.C., Type AB 500 BC-900 AD. He continues with 4 little subchapters: "O" is for Old, "A" is for Agrarian, "B" is for Balance, "AB" is for Modern.

The bible is a very interesting book. Its one of the few ancient books we have that may be showing the evolution of a people.

Blood type also relates to personality: http://www.articlesbase.com/science-...d-1213440.html

D'Adamo says:

Type Os: strength, endurance, self-reliance, daring, intuition, and innately optimistic. Very strong aerobically and thrive on animal protein and highly aerobic activities like running. Some famous Os: Ronald Reagan, Al Capone, Jimmy the Greek, Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles

Type As: originally adapted to deal with dense population areas and the stresses of a more sedentary urban environment. As are cooperative, decent, law abiding and orderly and self controlled. Some famous As: Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Adolf Hitler (D'Adamo says most associate Hitler with Type O but that actually Hitler's problem was extraordinary hypersensitivity that led to madness).

Type Bs: biologically more flexible than Type A, O or AB and less vulnerable to disease than other types. B evolved from intermingling of races and having to be flexible and creative to survive. Best of all worlds. By genetic nature more harmonic and less inclined to challenge and confront. Able to see other viewpoints. Asian societies comprised of high number of Type Bs. Traditional Jewish populations are primarily Type B. Some famous Bs: Paul McCartney, Jack Nicholson, Mia Farrow, Leonardo Di Caprio

Type ABs: a merging of the edgy, sensitive A with the more balance Type B. Charismatic, spiritual yet flaky. D'Adamo says they embrace all aspects of life without being particularly aware of the consequences. Type AB immune system is weak to virus and disease. Famous ABs: Benedict Arnold, John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe (ABs followers of blood type-personality analysis like to boast Jesus Christ was an AB from evidence collected from the Shroud of Turin. D'Adamo doubts this because Jesus lived one thousand years prior to the emergence of Type AB).

The Japanese use blood type the way the rest of the world uses horoscopes:
http://www.japanvisitor.com/index.php?cID=359&pID=329

By definition, evolution can not and will not ever be one.

True. But evolution still isn't going anywhere. It's only been further solidified by these new findings.

Be careful not to get caught up in the whole Darwin / natural selection thing when considering evolution.

Natural selection is only one force out of many that can contribute to evolution. In fact, it's not even regarded as the "driving force" of evolution by geneticists today...