Willful ignorance is a path that you choose. If you want to double down on that, be my guest. It only serves to confirm the reality that everyone has already observed about you.

The quoted posts stand as evidence the fact that you like to fire the first shot. You know... pattern-seeking stuff.

You tried to make your point but the evidence you brought to the table were posts that weren't even directed at you.

How can you even bring this up as evidence for an argument between the 2 of us.

My argument still stands: I only insulted you because YOU insulted me first. What do you not understand about this argument?

Those posts are posts of mine not directed at you! Unless you misread my argument to something like YOU = everyone on this forum. I really can't see how those posts you show are relevant to your case, that I fired insults to YOU first.

You're still doing it. You passive aggressively respond to a sincere post. It's good that you recognized that overt aggression wasn't appropriate but the passive aggressive response is sometimes worse.

In CBT, the theory is that we have core beliefs, also called schemas, that guide our perceptions and attitudes of the world around us. These, in turn, impact our cognitions and, ultimately, our behavior. We learn our core beliefs from an early age and they served a valid purpose at some point. A problem arises when a person is unable or unwilling to change their core beliefs as they grow and mature.

It seems your core belief has something to do with needing to feel strong or superior to others. Perhaps you see the world as a dangerous place or other people as a threat to you or your beliefs. This could have been something instilled by your parents or from early social interactions. Give it some thought and really consider what you believe about yourself, others, and the world around you. Maybe write these things down. Then consider what may have led you to believe what you believe.

Lastly, look for evidence to the contrary. Is it true that others are a threat? Or that conflicting views are a threat to your views? Is it true that you must demonstrate that you are superior to gain respect? Once evidence conflicting your core beliefs is found, you can start reevaluating your beliefs and start making changes. Obviously, this doesn't happen over night and usually requires a lot of therapy, but at least you know the basics now and can start doing some inner reflection.

Still doing what.

I compliment you on your post and tell you to practice what you preach. What is wrong with that?

I really think you need to look at yourself, take your own words on board and reflect. You paint a picture in your mind and it is wrong. You base posts on these pictures but they are wrong.

Here is a good example of how wrong your image is of me: You think I must demonstrate my superiority.

Here is a quote of mine: "I do not even think I am smart"

Does this person who says this about himself strike you as a person who shows of his superiority?

You're still doing it. I'm not competing you right now. You don't have to try to one up me with the passive "I know you are but what am I" responses. Mocking others, laughing at them, insulting their beliefs, and having the "you started it" debate with another person is all about the core beliefs I think I identified.

Just take my criticism constructively and try to learn from it. You may not be in a place where you're able to learn from it yet. Maybe you just aren't ready to face it. Either way, at least it's here for you for when you are ready.

Incidentally, I'm aware that I'm not perfect and that I can get worked up and say things I shouldn't say as well. But I do this on occasion because I'm human. When you start identifying patterns though, that's when truths start to emerge. As one person said, maybe the anonymity of the Internet is contributing to the responses but that still might indicate some other underlying core belief.

Are you saying that the concept of logic is nonsense?
Or that logic just does not apply when you apply it to religion?

Do you think that the people around you help form your choices to choose Christianity over another religion. Why for example are you not a Muslim or a Hindu?

It could be that you subconsciously follow those around you.

So you studied the other religions for a year. You are biased towards Christianity as that is how you were brought up. After a year of studying other religions, you came to what conclusion exactly?

What I mean by "You haven't given the same time to other religions" is this. You are not in a position to say that you are an open minded person without first giving all other religions the same courtesy as you have Christianity.

The reason I say this is that you have to have all the evidence/information on board from all different religions before you can make a rational and informed decision to choose one religion over the other.


No it is not the same with science. And it is a problem, if your religion is wrong.

Whilst you might be actively involved with others who share a different view as yourself, it does not matter. You already are biased and do not take anything on board from those people.
Thanks for another insult!


See other post.

You are just a person who can not take criticism at all. You think I am battling you in these back and forth posts.

You have painted a picture of me and I think that picture is wrong. I give you evidence that your picture is wrong and you cant handle it. Get a grip.

At least you recognise that getting worked up is normal human behaviour.

The pattern you see, is a pattern you should see because it is normal human behaviour.

The flaw in your mind is that you think it is not ok for me to exhibit these normal human traits. Yet it is ok for you to do so!

Hope you take something on board from my posts. At least realise that you are the one trying to act all superior!

And you're still doing it. Clearly not ready or capable of inner reflection so I'll let it rest. Good luck.

Ohh look, you belittle me and show how superior you are! Then you obviously want a more humble atheist to succumb to your superiority.

Here is good example how you need to show your superiority again. You also start to paint a picture and think I am battling. You also do not adhere to your own reasoning: "Discussion can and should be respectful. People can disagree without it devolving to name-calling" And then you drop jackass, your inability to engage in insightful dialogue and immature.


Acting all superior again!

And again!

And again!
And again!

Again!

You are very rude, this is not part of my imagination!

Practice what you preach, bro!

And I even left out the super superior post where you brag that you are a therapist and that you have degrees and stuff, like it suddenly makes you smart or something!

Still drowning in ignorance. Tsk tsk... I'll see if you've got enough wits about you to actually figure out how to resolve the question.

I don't understand why you think you can make such an argument while not presenting supporting data.

They aren't relevant to the particular case of you and me, but they are relevant to the larger question of your posting habits. As far as the back-and-forth between you and me, I'm simply going to smile at you until you figure it out.

If that's what you get from it, then you've evidenced more than enough for me to feel confident in my assessments of you up to this point.

Logic is logic. Do you disagree?

I think people around me influence all of my decisions. I don't see how it would be possible for that not to be the case without being some sort of sociopath.

Sure. It's possible. Or I could be consciously following those around me.

I decided to become a Christian.

What do you mean by the "the same courtesy"? Can you show me dis-courteousness that I've displayed towards the other religions?

And I don't claim to be an absolutely neutral observer of reality. Only a fool would make such a claim.

It's always impossible to have all the evidence and information for a particular situation. Only an idiot would think that you would need it before making a decision. And only a moron would sit around and wait.

Of course it's the same with science. What do you think science is? Oh yeah... You've already gone over this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...gious-1526838/

At the end of the day, you showed yourself utterly incompetent about both science AND philosophy.

You keep using this phrase "take on board." What do you even mean by that? And can you explain how you take things on board?

No problem. I've got an abundance of those and am a generous person.

Pork Chop's spot on with the comment about Tsar's sensitivity. I don't actually mind that you may have some arrogance to your beliefs. I am in fact quite fond of that.

What I do mind, is the sensitivity and the complete inability to put your immediate emotional reaction to the side.

Next time you get banned Tsar, I think you should start an account under the name of: Hyper-Sensitive. This way people will know to either: (a) agree with you or; (b) not say anything.

Alternatively. They can wait a few years first, until you're no longer a teenager....

Until the hyper-sensitivity is nulled out by the pain of getting continuously defecated on: by those higher up in the monkey-chain hierarchy.

Please don't take this last sentence too sensitively, it happens to all of us.

For someone to be open-minded/take things on board it would have to be more than just reading and researching, right?

You'd want them to practice each different religion for a fair point of time to be able to really make a decision, correct?

Otherwise their biases from their community/childhood would be too strong a force to override just based on reading. They'd really have to live it to have a fair comparison point, agreed?

I've had many long and varied exchanges with Aaron over the years I've been posting here, that's how I know well his level of intelligence and what he's capable of, that's my evidence, I doubt he suddenly got stupid after I put him on ignore. It doesn't bode well for your deductive ability that such an obvious answer to your questions failed to occur to you. Also, I can read some of what he's said when you've quoted it in your posts so I can see some of what you're failing to understand.

Further, I can read all of your posts, including the OP which asks many very basic and easily countered questions, and judge what I'm seeing against what I know about Aaron, and what I know about this subject having been schooled on it, to my own limits of comprehension, right here on this forum. You lose that one by a clear margin and you could benefit by sticking around and learning. For example, it does matter what your concept of 'responsibility' is and it's a fair question to ask, Aaron is simply defining terms and exploring your position, unfortunately it's at a level at which I don't think you're capable of having the discussion. I've been there, I sympathise.

I wish you luck, I see no reason to say any more about this, it's off topic.

Answers are sprinkled throughout your questions.

Here are my answers to the remainder of your questions.

Rig! You're never gonna give us up, never gonna let us down, are you.

The idea a murderer can be granted eternal life is one of the hardest ideas to accept, but Jesus did not come for the most pious. He came for the lowliest among us.

I'm not particularly religious, but if someone had sent me and my family to eternal paradise I'd probably high five them if I saw they made it in.

Don't think so, I mean, look at that smug.



But I seem to understand now, using your logic I can be the most evil person on the planet as long as I make sure to pretend to believe in all the bs they try to sell me.

Let's practice:

I know I posted a bad picture of god, jesus, whoever but I saw the light and I'm reeeeeally sorry.

Hey, that was easy, seems like religion isn't utter bs at all.

See you in church, fellow christians!

That's great! Thanks for your opinion.

God will know if you are pretending to believe.

A quite apt image of the quality of Rig's posts throughout RGT.