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06-09-2015 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
I really don't get it though. Sure some of my posts have some swear words but cmon I thought this was an adult forum. Also some posts are in the heat of the moment and the discussions are very heated lol. Gimme a break, geeezzzz.
That's too bad.
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06-09-2015 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
Is it BS that rocks can't walk? or is that just the way it is?
Is this a trick Q?

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Any examples of living entities or species that don't exist within hierarchies - whether social hierarchies, physical hierarchies or intellectual ones such as moral hierarchies?
I thought you said that Hipsters did this?

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You can answer this for yourself, by trying to answer above questions.
Cmon man, lets not do this. I ask you a question, don't reply with you can answer it.
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06-09-2015 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dereds
Don't post in the heat of the moment and this being a forum for adults does not licence random insults given that they aren't particularly adult like.
I really do not get why you are here again? Are you saying that it is ok for you or other posters to insult me but I am not allowed to insult back? Because that's what it looks like.

I insult people back that have insulted me first, or they have a go at me. Hiding it in a very smart post, it still is an insult regardless if it contains swear words or not. Then once you have insulted me, you go and report me for insulting you! Childish imo. If you dish insults, you should be able to take insults too.
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06-09-2015 , 01:52 AM
I want to be done in this section though. Too many cry babies here. Nobody concerned with addressing my OP at all. All just nit pickers, trying to have a go at me! Get a life kids!

You guys bring out the worst in me. I am not even like this irl lol. I am usually quite reserved and quiet.
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06-09-2015 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
I really do not get why you are here again? Are you saying that it is ok for you or other posters to insult me but I am not allowed to insult back? Because that's what it looks like.

I insult people back that have insulted me first, or they have a go at me. Hiding it in a very smart post, it still is an insult regardless if it contains swear words or not. Then once you have insulted me, you go and report me for insulting you! Childish imo. If you dish insults, you should be able to take insults too.
If you feel insulted when someone criticises your post you aren't posting like an adult.

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One thing about your posting: One difficulty you're going to find is that you don't seem to do a lot of thinking about what you're saying. You're also not exhibiting much interest in engaging at an intellectual level.
While you may consider this insulting I consider it fair, it's about perspective, you don't exhibit much interest in actually engaging and you haven't put the thought into this to warrant your confidence in your points.
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06-09-2015 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
I have not had the chance to msg him from my IAG account. I was shown a popup stating my temp ban from my Tsar account has now been perma banned. lol oops. I have just sent a private to David's son Matt, so hopefully I'll get a response from him on this account.

I really don't get it though. Sure some of my posts have some swear words but cmon I thought this was an adult forum. Also some posts are in the heat of the moment and the discussions are very heated lol. Gimme a break, geeezzzz.
Sounds like you're adhering to that monkey chain hierarchy
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06-09-2015 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
I want to be done in this section though. Too many cry babies here. Nobody concerned with addressing my OP at all. All just nit pickers, trying to have a go at me! Get a life kids!

You guys bring out the worst in me. I am not even like this irl lol. I am usually quite reserved and quiet.
Are you willing to potentially be wrong by reason (proof by words and thoughts) and change your perceptions of what or who God is?

Otherwise your OP just reads as a list of rhetorical questions. Any answer would be insufficient and just met w/ "I don't buy it" or mockery.

Hence, Pork_Chops unwillingness to play ball. Of course you replied to that post with hostility instead of introspection - as is your M.O.
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06-09-2015 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by I am God



I am proving you[Aaron] wrong in so many posts!
I am not seeing anywhere where you have proven anything

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I can prove to you that you are not open minded in one sentence, if the above wasn't enough already. The simple fact that you do not take other religions on board is an example that you are narrow minded.
Doesnt this show that you are also narrow minded, since you also do not take other religions on board? In fact, this would show that aaron is more open minded, in that he has taken at least 1 religion on board, where you havent taken ANY religions on board.
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06-09-2015 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
Sounds like you're adhering to that monkey chain hierarchy
You are wrong.

A better statement would be. Sounds like you do not have a choice!

I always try not to follow any type of hierarchy because it is a trait that stems from animals. If it works for you personally, keep it to yourself, ok! There is no need to push your own beliefs onto others.

Count 1: Having a go!
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06-09-2015 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
Are you willing to potentially be wrong by reason (proof by words and thoughts) and change your perceptions of what or who God is?
I am always willing to change my mind, if there's enough evidence that warrants it. Do you have anything concrete or shall I mark this section as Nr 2: having a go at me?

In fact I will.

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Otherwise your OP just reads as a list of rhetorical questions. Any answer would be insufficient and just met w/ "I don't buy it" or mockery.
You are wrong again. I did not create those questions to read as "rhetorical" questions.
If you do not answer the questions, you will not find out an answer, to your Q. But if you want to draw your own conclusions then I guess that is fine too, but again no need to come and share that here with me.

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Hence, Pork_Chops unwillingness to play ball. Of course you replied to that post with hostility instead of introspection - as is your M.O.
If he, like you simply draws conclusions before even attempting to engage with me or my questions, then perhaps you might be right. Perhaps that is it.

I think he stated other reasons though. I think he's expecting another atheist to kiss is ass (be more respectful) before he actually engages in conversation. I can't blame him, he still thinks like a monkey, in that old fashioned chain of command type mind set.
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06-09-2015 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
I am not seeing anywhere where you have proven anything
It's all there, take a better look.


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Doesnt this show that you are also narrow minded, since you also do not take other religions on board? In fact, this would show that aaron is more open minded, in that he has taken at least 1 religion on board, where you havent taken ANY religions on board.
Do you agree that Aaron is narrow minded or not? By your own reasoning above?

Poster nr 2: Having a go!
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06-09-2015 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

It's interesting how you think that a troll is incapable of posting an OP.
That was not my point. Maybe we differ on the definition of troll. Anyway I'd like to see "how I can troll you in my thread without an OP".

A troll to me is someone coming into another person's thread and NOT engaging with the OP, rather making other comments in other areas. Like what a lot of you posters do in this thread.

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Who said that biases are flaws? They are functional and an important part of how society actually works.
Perhaps you need to look up the word bias. Thinking in a bias way is a flaw in itself.
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What do you mean "take other religions on board"? Are you saying that open-mindedness is equivalent to accepting everything? I don't mind accepting that definition, as it would imply that you are in the same boat as I am.
I mean you are biased to one religion. IE close minded. Being open minded means the opposite of YOU!
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06-09-2015 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
You're exhibiting behaviors similar to that of a person who believes that IQ tests are nonsense because he thinks he's smart but his IQ test came back with a score of 80.
Essentially you are saying that I have an IQ of 80 and I am not smart.

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Nobody agreed on anything, and I don't think anyone would need to agree on anything for my statement to be valid.
Here you reaffirm your statement to be valid.

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In particular, my statement makes no claims about whether the person is "actually" smart (whatever that means).
All of a sudden you change your mind and suddenly your statement makes no claims! HEH.

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

It is true that I don't think you're smart. I think you're not smart because you've exhibited no complex reasoning skills up to this point. You think that the concept of a "grand designer" automatically implies that there would be no independent agency. You've done nothing to explain this position in a meaningful way.

There are reasons I think certain things about you. I welcome the opportunity for you to prove me wrong. It's just that you have yet to do so.
And now you change your mind once again, to your original statement and say I am not smart.

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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
You're right. It only makes a claim as to whether a person believes they are smart. Since you admit to not being sure about what smart actually means - "whatever that means" - then where is your foundation for claiming that Tsar's behaviours are similar to those who believe they are smart?
Here's another poster picking up on the fact that your mind and logic is all over the place.

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
That's not what I'm claiming.
Were are back to you are not claiming anything! HEH.

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
If only you knew what was actually going on... It was stated explicitly, but maybe you didn't read it.
As you can see, you have made the claim that you think I am not smart.
You make claims then lie about that you make those claims, then make a post implicitly stating that very claim. then go on to deny that claim.

You also make a claim that you do not know what smart "even means"
Veedzz pointed it out too.

If you do not even know what smart means, how can you judge me or make that post were you say "I think you are not smart".
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06-09-2015 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
I want to be done in this section though.
Are you aiming for a third ban? If you try hard enough, I'm sure you can succeed.

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You guys bring out the worst in me. I am not even like this irl lol. I am usually quite reserved and quiet.
The anonymity if hiding behind a computer screen emboldens people in ways that they may not feel comfortable in face-to-face conversations. Essentially, you don't see anyone here as a person, and that de-humanization makes you act differently than you normally do.

I still view you as a person. An emotionally unstable, inarticulate person that makes terrible arguments. But still a person.
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06-09-2015 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
It's all there, take a better look.
You know, this reminds me of another poster from long, long ago...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...ligion-706448/

Not that I think you're that poster, but this is just a pattern we've seen before.
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06-09-2015 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
That was not my point. Maybe we differ on the definition of troll. Anyway I'd like to see "how I can troll you in my thread without an OP".
That's an interesting use of quotation marks. It's like you're quoting something, but there's nobody who has ever said that.

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A troll to me is someone coming into another person's thread and NOT engaging with the OP, rather making other comments in other areas. Like what a lot of you posters do in this thread.
So providing information and observations relevant to your original 12 questions is NOT engaging with the OP now?

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Perhaps you need to look up the word bias. Thinking in a bias way is a flaw in itself.
Not really. But maybe you have no background in any cognitive science, social science, or any science.

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I mean you are biased to one religion. IE close minded. Being open minded means the opposite of YOU!
Would you accept that you are closed-minded with respect to all religions? Or closed-minded to with respect to God?
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06-09-2015 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
Essentially you are saying that I have an IQ of 80 and I am not smart.
The first claim is false. But given that you seem to lack the ability to understand the nature of an analogy, I do think the second claim is true. I welcome you to say and do things to change that perspective.

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Here you reaffirm your statement to be valid.


All of a sudden you change your mind and suddenly your statement makes no claims! HEH.
Again, your inability to understand analogy doesn't change the facts of the situation.

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And now you change your mind once again, to your original statement and say I am not smart.
Yes, I'm saying you're not smart. But in that quote, you're not seeing the context. In that quote, I'm just saying you're acting in a manner of someone who believes differently than what data is suggesting. In that statement, I make no actual claims about your intelligence.

I should also say that you've given me more evidence that allows me to doubt your intelligence with a higher level of confidence.

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Here's another poster picking up on the fact that your mind and logic is all over the place.

Were are back to you are not claiming anything! HEH.
I should probably post in shorter sentences. You seem to have problems following chains of logic.

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As you can see, you have made the claim that you think I am not smart.
I made a claim that you didn't read the thread so that you don't understand what's going on. That suggests much more a lack of reading comprehension than intelligence. Smart people miss stuff sometimes. It happens.

But Veedzz really did explicitly announce his intentions in that side conversation.

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You make claims then lie about that you make those claims, then make a post implicitly stating that very claim. then go on to deny that claim.
I'm pretty clear about what things claim what.

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You also make a claim that you do not know what smart "even means"
Veedzz pointed it out too.
Contextual understanding is something you seem to struggle with. My point was that I didn't even need to provide a specific definition of "smart" in the analogy I was expressing in order to communicate the main point.

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If you do not even know what smart means, how can you judge me or make that post were you say "I think you are not smart".
In a statement of the form "If P then Q", when the P is false, it makes no difference what is said in Q.
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06-09-2015 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
It's all there, take a better look.




Do you agree that Aaron is narrow minded or not? By your own reasoning above?

Poster nr 2: Having a go!
Your definition of narrow minded is "not taking religions into account"

Aaron takes 1 religion into account

You take no religions into account

Therefore, by your definition, Aaron is more open minded than you, since he takes more religions into account
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06-09-2015 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
That's an interesting use of quotation marks. It's like you're quoting something, but there's nobody who has ever said that.



So providing information and observations relevant to your original 12 questions is NOT engaging with the OP now?



Not really. But maybe you have no background in any cognitive science, social science, or any science.



Would you accept that you are closed-minded with respect to all religions? Or closed-minded to with respect to God?
Few more questions.

Do you think it is ok to be biased?
Do you consider yourself to be biased?
Do you think being biased = being close minded?
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06-09-2015 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
Your definition of narrow minded is "not taking religions into account"

Aaron takes 1 religion into account

You take no religions into account

Therefore, by your definition, Aaron is more open minded than you, since he takes more religions into account
The question was pretty simple. A yes or no would suffice!
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06-09-2015 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
Do you think it is ok to be biased?
Yes. It's impossible to completely separate oneself from both social and cognitive biases. So we literally have no choice but to be biased.

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Do you consider yourself to be biased?
Yes. All humans are biased in one way or another, as described above. Given that I'm human, it follows that I'm biased.

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Do you think being biased = being close minded?
No. It's dumb to try to make that equivalence.
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06-09-2015 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
You may feel insulted, but the evidence is in my favor. You know... evidence...



The same is true with me. The difference, however, is that my posts come with actual content. The fact that your entire thread is premised on your firing shots around blindly and not dealing with the actual intellectual content is providing sufficient evidence that you are not engaged intellectually.

You're exhibiting behaviors similar to that of a person who believes that IQ tests are nonsense because he thinks he's smart but his IQ test came back with a score of 80.

And feel free to report me for "posting in your thread." I believe that I'm well within the forum rules with my posts in this thread, and I will take my chances with any mod that is going to look into it.
Another thing here to note is that your so called analogy is directly aimed at me. To say it is just a random analogy based on a random person would be dishonest to say the least! I'm sure you'll wiggle wiggle out of this though!

I have learned one thing from you though. A new word "troll". I looked it up and noticed something called "don't feed the troll" in one of the definitions of the word. I am almost done feeding. I will stop posting soon though!
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06-09-2015 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Yes. It's impossible to completely separate oneself from both social and cognitive biases. So we literally have no choice but to be biased.



Yes. All humans are biased in one way or another, as described above. Given that I'm human, it follows that I'm biased.



No. It's dumb to try to make that equivalence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias
Biased means one-sided, lacking a neutral viewpoint, not having an open mind
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06-09-2015 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias
Biased means one-sided, lacking a neutral viewpoint, not having an open mind
You're just confirming an unwillingness to engage in any intellectual depth. It's dumb to make that equivalence.

You would have to ignore virtually the entire page and the subsequent links, and read that one line out of context and do things that only people who don't have any intellectual depth would... oh... right.

Edit: This is the page you ought to be looking at.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_(disambiguation)

Last edited by Aaron W.; 06-09-2015 at 02:10 PM.
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06-09-2015 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tactiicue
I am always willing to change my mind, if there's enough evidence that warrants it. Do you have anything concrete or shall I mark this section as Nr 2: having a go at me?

In fact I will.


You are wrong again. I did not create those questions to read as "rhetorical" questions.
If you do not answer the questions, you will not find out an answer, to your Q. But if you want to draw your own conclusions then I guess that is fine too, but again no need to come and share that here with me.



If he, like you simply draws conclusions before even attempting to engage with me or my questions, then perhaps you might be right. Perhaps that is it.

I think he stated other reasons though. I think he's expecting another atheist to kiss is ass (be more respectful) before he actually engages in conversation. I can't blame him, he still thinks like a monkey, in that old fashioned chain of command type mind set.
This post exemplifies my point exactly.

Discussion can and should be respectful. People can disagree without it devolving to name-calling. But for you, a discussion is a battle. It's a battle to be won or lost and not to be used to expand knowledge and perspective.

The fact that you view respect as "ass kissing" further demonstrates your inability to engage in insightful dialogue.

There's a reason you have numerous banned accounts and a reason nobody here is supporting what you're saying. Even the one guy who was has stopped backing you up because he's realizing just how immature you really are.

Stop and think that maybe the issue isn't everyone else acting like a monkey or whatever analogy you use and realize that maybe the issue is you acting like a jackass.
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