Q.1 If God created everything and everyone, is he responsible for all the evil that goes on in this world.

Q2. Why are we being unfairly penalised, ultimately he is the only one who should suffer the consequences of all crimes committed by man.

Q3. If God is real, why does he not solve all the questioning and reveal himself?

Q4. Who appointed God to be God? Did God just simply make his mind up about it? Did he not need to discuss with anyone?

Q5. Who made God?

Q6. Is God an egomaniac? For example why does he not make all living creatures God's too? He seems very selfish, as in the kid who has a ball and refuses to share with other children!

Q7. Is God even interested in his ant farm (this world, US)

Q8, Who does God talk to on a personal/ friendship level? He has no other God's/ friends.

Q9. What the **** does he do with his spare time?

Q10. Why if we "us humans" are the chosen ones and created in his image, look so similar to monkey's?

Q11. Why if God exists is this World so unbalanced and unfair?

Q12. Who governs God? What if he ever gets out of line? LOL....He constantly gets out of line, doesn't he!

Edit for another Q.
Q13. If I do not believe in God will I still go to Heaven?

Q14. Can God go to hell?

Q15. Can God escape Hell?

Q16. If we are condemned to hell, do we get another chance, can we break out?

Q17. How do you know your religion is the right religion?

Posting to hear believer's replies

Solid questions

It depends on your concept of "responsibility."

* If you've created children, are you responsible for everything that they do?
* Going back to your very random treehouse analogy, if you build a treehouse but your children use it in ways that you did not intend for them to use it and they hurt themselves, what does that mean for your concept of responsibility?

This is really the same question as above. You have to define your concept of responsibility before you can assert whether a penalty is fair or unfair.

Incidentally, Christian theology claims that he actually did. But that's for another conversation.

Why should he? Does God need to bow to your whims?

Who said it was an appointment? Or even a decision? This question seems mostly meaningless for almost all the concepts of God I can think of, include the Greek gods.

The who-created-the-creator question has been hashed out in many places and in many ways. Use Google.

You should clarify your concept of God before moving forward. Depending on your particular concept, this might be logically incoherent.

It depends on your conception of God. To the deist, the answer is probably not. To religious perspectives that accept a personal God, the answer is yes. So, again, you need to address particular concepts and not just make random statements.

These are mostly nonsense questions.

It depends on what you think "God's image" actually is.

The problem of evil has also been discussed in lots of places. Use Google and at least demonstrate some ability to do some independent thinking and research.

It depends on the concept of God you're using. There are many concepts of God for which this makes no sense.

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One thing about your posting: One difficulty you're going to find is that you don't seem to do a lot of thinking about what you're saying. You're also not exhibiting much interest in engaging at an intellectual level.

It's certainly possible to ask questions that can't really be answered. The inability to answer questions does not necessarily mean anything. So be warned that insisting on answers to questions that don't have meaningful answers is unlikely to generate meaningful conversation.

Applauds for Aaron. For the most useless answers yet. Who's next! Please do not draw any inspiration from Aaron, absolute horrid answers.

Q1.I'm regretting this already. I will take some time though and show you all of your flawed reasoning AGAIN!

Lets start with the above. I am not looking for my answers you dope, I am looking for yours. Stop asking questions when responding to questions, just answer the damn Q already.

Q2. As above!

Not good enough, your answer is the same answer I get all the time. If you want an answer to that. YES he should bow to my whims. If I ask somebody a question, it is very rude for someone to continue to play some ****ing childish game and not respond!

Q4. Well what would you call it?


Q5. It is ok if you can not answer or do not know the answer. I am after real answers from real people, not fuxcking google, ok!

Q6. You should clarify your concept of God. I am asking you the question.

Q7. Are you a Deist? If not please stop answering Q for them! These are questions not statements.

Q8. Why do you feel this is a stupid question. Was it not you that said something like there are never stupid questions, something along those lines. You seem to contradict yourself a lot on here. Are you sure you are even religious?

Q10. NO NO NO. It actually depends on what YOU think. That is the whole point of asking questions to get a response from YOU, the person supposed to answer the ****ing questions. Geez are you for real?

Q11.I have done lots of research, and now I am doing some more, thanks to my questions in OP. I am looking for authentic answers from real people, dude srs are you getting paid to post comments on this board or do you not get the concept of asking question, giving answer? Q12.So which concept of God are you on about and what is your answer?

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That's good to know. I didn't realise I first needed to do independent research and have your approval that I can post once I show I can engage in an intellectual way. Thanks for pointing that out, you ****ing imbecile.
Meaning questions or NOT( your opinion) is beside the point. Frankly I'd rather you not post in my threads again, you really disgust me as a fellow human being!

You got banned last time for being rubbish and when you post like this in response to an actual answer to this thread it suggests you're an idiot.

Answer the questions and keep your silly opinions to yourself! It shows you are an idiot because you do not know the full history here!

I don't need to know the full history to know that you have been banned previously and will be banned again if you continue in the same way.

I've gone ahead and reported you for harassment. Stay out of my threads and stop looking for an argument.

Did you even read his answers? All his answers were questions back at me!

I have told you before Tsar that being the OP does not make a thread yours. This isn't how forums work.

However when you respond to someone in terms such as

You demonstrate that you really aren't capable of a meaningful contribution to these forums.

I'm no fan of Aaron, I've had him on ignore for 18 months or so, but I still feel obliged to suggest that the problem isn't his reasoning but instead the fact that it's all flying right over your head.

If your posts were your level of poker, you'd still be at the 'what have I got?' stage.

This is his quote, you tell me if you find it insulting? Not only that but a few of you guys like to post insulting stuff covered up in an intellectual way. You are not going to get away with it.

Yes I am very straight to the point. You don't have to like it. I couldn't care less tbh. In fact I probably wouldn't even piss on you if you were on fire.

You may feel insulted, but the evidence is in my favor. You know... evidence...

The same is true with me. The difference, however, is that my posts come with actual content. The fact that your entire thread is premised on your firing shots around blindly and not dealing with the actual intellectual content is providing sufficient evidence that you are not engaged intellectually.

You're exhibiting behaviors similar to that of a person who believes that IQ tests are nonsense because he thinks he's smart but his IQ test came back with a score of 80.

And feel free to report me for "posting in your thread." I believe that I'm well within the forum rules with my posts in this thread, and I will take my chances with any mod that is going to look into it.

The answer to OP's questions is dualism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism

God is only responsible for good, the devil is responsible for evil. The God and the devil weren't created by anyone. They simply exist.

The universe is full of dualism and you don't need religion to see this. An outlet needs both positive and negative to function. Humans need a male and a female to make a child. You can see God and the devil as forces, you don't need to see them as personal entities similar to humans. Religion is outdated (especially abrahamic religions) and many will be atheist in the future if religion won't be updated.

Why would I desire high intelligence if I can't also have the emotional intelligence to deal with people in a way that allows me to fully engage with them and maintain long-term friendships with large numbers of them?

You may just attribute the above to being a poor example but to demonstrate the annoyance of Aaron-like nit-picks, I will nit-pick on this :P:

When did we agree that one can not be smart without a high IQ? did I miss that meeting?

Often, the most industrious people in the world are ones that can manipulate social situations in their favour. These people are commonly referred to as working smart instead of working hard. These types of 'smart' abilities demand high levels of emotional intuition: something that high intelligence does not particularly correlate with.

All you can really say about a person that scores highly on IQ tests is that they score highly on IQ tests and that they are likely to be intelligent. Any other inference, including notions of smart, will first require some comparisons to other useful abilities such as social intuition, ability to empathise etc.

Nobody agreed on anything, and I don't think anyone would need to agree on anything for my statement to be valid.

In particular, my statement makes no claims about whether the person is "actually" smart (whatever that means).

So you agree with me then? You have been insulting me. Whether you have evidence or not, it is just plain rude and just shows everyone the character you really are.


Here you go again acting all high and mighty. We get it in Aaron, you think you are intellectually way above me, like it is a pissing contest. All proud that your posts have "actual content and how mine are ****. Manners and the way you engage with people of lesser intellect, sure shows us your glowing character. Smart people should have certain attributes, clearly some that you do not possess. Also what exactly are you on about "firing shot blindly and not dealing with actual content"? Point it out. All of your answers are questions back at me. You fail to answer any of my questions because you think "you are the teacher" and I the student.

I do not even think I am smart! Epic fail kid! Have you ever thought that your judgment sucks?

This is funny. Can you see his posts? If you can't, how the **** are you able to judge whether or not it's his reasoning?

Agree with you on what? That you felt insulted? I don't see any reason for me not to believe that. But that's not really the point.

You've demonstrated a particular approach in both your past and present incarnation as a poster here. It clearly exhibits emotion, but doesn't exhibit much of any thought. Maybe you put a lot of thought into your posts and it's simply not showing. But the outcome is simply a long list of soapbox posts.

Here is an example of trying to engage you on your claims to get you to think about what you're saying.

(Note: There are several posts of yours that are back-to-back, so I'm not omitting anything in my participation in that gap.)

My goal was to get you to elaborate on whatever it is you mean by this "grand designer." You clearly have a huge number of assumptions embedded into this concept that you are refusing to elaborate upon. The reason is that you're going to see how many of those assumptions you've embedded when you actually engage in the ideas.

This is why I gave you lots of "it depends" answers. You've clearly got a position and you're trying to argue from that position. But you're not particularly willing elaborate on that position in a way that gives anyone any access to what it is. You've made the claim, so the onus is on you to explain and defend it. That's how this works.



Oh, the irony.

See above. I've given you opportunities to address content, and you're not willing to do so. I've seen no evidence of change, so I have no particular reason to think you're going to change.

I'm asking you questions because I know it's the only way to get past your noise. The answer "it depends on X" is perfectly legitimate and is completely and undeniably true.

It is true that I don't think you're smart. I think you're not smart because you've exhibited no complex reasoning skills up to this point. You think that the concept of a "grand designer" automatically implies that there would be no independent agency. You've done nothing to explain this position in a meaningful way.

Or consider your responses in this entire thread (NB: "Tsar of Russia" = "I am God"):

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...gious-1526838/

There are reasons I think certain things about you. I welcome the opportunity for you to prove me wrong. It's just that you have yet to do so.

There was a time in which I wasn't blocked by him. If you want to read the history, here's a link that has a link.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1160

People don't need to agree on anything for your statement to be nit-pickable. Every statement is. I was simply asking a question as to where you would get such an idea. It certainly doesn't appear to stem from some deep understanding of the consensus in the psychometric literature on measuring IQ, emotional intelligence, social intuition, empathy and so on.
You're right. It only makes a claim as to whether a person believes they are smart. Since you admit to not being sure about what smart actually means - "whatever that means" - then where is your foundation for claiming that Tsar's behaviours are similar to those who believe they are smart?

Your foundation is rooted in a subjectively defined notion of 'smart'. How can someone else (Tsar) believe to possess your subjective notion of smart?

That's not what I'm claiming.

Here's my claim, emphasis added:

Now, I will grant that this person is a hypothetical construct. I'm projecting a certain type of behavior to someone who believes one thing while a certain type of data indicates otherwise. I take for granted that you have enough experience with people being faced with this type of dissonance and responding in a poor way to anticipate the outcome, but I admit that this is an assumption.

My foundation in what?

I don't understand the question. "How can someone believe to possess something"? Maybe you dropped a word or added one?

The person to which you refer to as a hypothetical construct, believes in a subjectively defined notion of 'smart'. A notion of smart that is defined by you, in the process of defining this hypothetical person.

Although Tsar may exhibit behaviours similar to this hypothetical person and your notion of smart therein, the part of your statement that leaves room for nit-picking is the second half of it. The second-half of your statement is phrased in a way that implies that 'belief in possessing the quality of being smart' is somehow mutually exclusive to receiving low IQ scores. As if it is somehow invalid to believe you are smart, when you have low IQ scores...

Look at the word "but" in the second half of the statement: "of a person who believes that IQ tests are nonsense because he thinks he's smart but his IQ test came back with a score of 80".

No not that I felt insulted. That you actually make insults, and think you are better than me. Not good traits to have. I think you are on a massive power trip.

All the above just some more dribble. I hope you get this loud and clear.I very much doubt you will because A. You are a power tripper and B. You lack to be open minded, this is true right, you are a very close minded and a biased person (would you agree?). Here go's, You are not my teacher and I not your student. I do not care what you think, I am not going to change because you think I should. I think your a disgusting person, you go change.

You deviate constantly from my questions, if you do not5 want to answer my questions, don't come in this thread. It really is simple, bro. You mad?