I like to talk with atheists philosophically.
Discussion phase 1 (dp1), all concur that God in concept is [ in concept ] the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Discussion phase 1a (dp1a), you concur with me that the universe has a beginning..
Discussion phase 1b (dp1b). I concur with you that the universe has no beginning it has always existed.
Expedition phase 1a (ep1a), all proceed to the realm of concrete actual reality to verify that every instance of existence has a beginning, and even the universe itself as a whole has a beginning; wherefore an entity is needed to give beginning to the universe and everything with a beginning, like God in concept the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning..
Expedition phase 1b (ep1b), all proceed to the realm of concrete actual reality to verify that every instance of existence has always existed, including the universe as a whole; wherefore no entity is needed to give a beginning to them, like for example God in concept the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Discussion phase 1 (dp1), all concur that God in concept is [ in concept ] the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Discussion phase 1b (dp1b). I concur with you that the universe has no beginning it has always existed.
Expedition phase 1b (ep1b), all proceed to the realm of concrete actual reality to verify that every instance of existence has always existed, including the universe as a whole; wherefore no entity is needed to give a beginning to them, like for example God in concept the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Discussion phase 1 (dp1), all concur that God in concept is [ in concept ] the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Discussion phase 1a (dp1a), you concur with me that the universe has a beginning..
Expedition phase 1a (ep1a), all proceed to the realm of concrete actual reality to verify that every instance of existence has a beginning, and even the universe itself as a whole has a beginning; wherefore an entity is needed to give beginning to the universe and everything with a beginning, like God in concept the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning..
Discussion phase 1 (dp1), all concur that God in concept is [ in concept ] the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Discussion phase:
Discussion phase 1a (dp1a), you concur with me that good little girls and boys have toys.
Discussion phase 1b (dp1b). I concur with you that good little girls and boys don’t have toys.
Expedition phase:
Expedition phase 1a (ep1a), all proceed to the realm of concrete actual reality to verify that good little girls and boys have toys; wherefore an entity is needed to bring toys to good little girls and boys, like Santa Claus in concept the bringer of toys to good little girls and boys.
Expedition phase 1b (ep1b), all proceed to the realm of concrete actual reality to verify that good little girls and boys don’t have toys; wherefore no entity is needed to bring toys to good little girls and boys, for example like Santa Claus in concept the bringer of toys to good little girls and boys.
If (a) the universe began to exist and (b) the universe encompasses physical reality and (c) there is a reason ‘why’ the universe exists, then (d) the existence of an immaterial cause is a necessary condition for the existence of physical reality.I regard to (c), (a) and (b) can be true but if the universe just popped into existence uncaused sometime ago, then the existence of physical reality is a brute fact and as such an immaterial cause isn’t implicated. At any rate, I think the above is valid and (a), (b) and (c) are reasonable beliefs, so (d) is one as well. Reasonable in the sense that to me (a) is a slight favorite over (not-a), (b) a slight favorite over (not-b), and (c) is a slight favorite over (not-c). So while hardly conclusive, (d) has an edge over (not-d), imo.
Discussion phase:
Discussion phase 1a (dp1a), you concur with me that good little girls and boys have toys.
Discussion phase 1b (dp1b). I concur with you that good little girls and boys don’t have toys.
Expedition phase:
Expedition phase 1a (ep1a), all proceed to the realm of concrete actual reality to verify that good little girls and boys have toys; wherefore an entity is needed to bring toys to good little girls and boys, like Santa Claus in concept the bringer of toys to good little girls and boys.
Expedition phase 1b (ep1b), all proceed to the realm of concrete actual reality to verify that good little girls and boys don’t have toys; wherefore no entity is needed to bring toys to good little girls and boys, for example like Santa Claus in concept the bringer of toys to good little girls and boys.
If (a) the universe began to exist and (b) the universe encompasses physical reality and (c) there is a reason ‘why’ the universe exists, then (d) the existence of an immaterial cause is a necessary condition for the existence of physical reality.I regard to (c), (a) and (b) can be true but if the universe just popped into existence uncaused sometime ago, then the existence of physical reality is a brute fact and as such an immaterial cause isn’t implicated. At any rate, I think the above is valid and (a), (b) and (c) are reasonable beliefs, so (d) is one as well. Reasonable in the sense that to me (a) is a slight favorite over (not-a), (b) a slight favorite over (not-b), and (c) is a slight favorite over (not-c). So while hardly conclusive, (d) has an edge over (not-d), imo.
Step 1 Discussion phase 1 (dp1), all concur that God in concept is [ in concept ] the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.
Step 1 Discussion phase 1 (dp1), all concur that God in concept is [ in concept ] the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.