IMHO, you muddy the waters when you throw Islam in there because 'their God' is not the same as Christian's and Jew's.

Christians and Jews maintain that God is a personal God. Most of Islam believes that God is a personal God.

Do you perceive God to be personal or impersonal? It's a simple question I've asked before, and contains less than 50 words. LOL

Know you making sense to me, as i see it, because god as a name/subject/being, will never be not talked and worshiped/prayed/called upon/against, that is simply impossible period.
But for me as a person in my daily live it is like that, he has totally no influence and place in my live, so that means to me if any person does not believes in the myth called god exists god has/makes simply no [way of making a] difference or influence in your/their live[s], and saying he does without me knowing it[as said/assured to me by some believers/theists] means nothing to me, and is i believe absolute nonsense.

But let me ask you susmario, what do you! think god does on a daily? basis, what are his actual doings in any way shape or form, physically, and spiritually, what are his tools/influences beside socalled listening to what people need/want/wish/say thanks for in the numerous[well declining in numbers and visitors it seems] churches.

Crypto, you ask me: "Do you perceive God to be personal or impersonal?

God in concept is the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.

So He is also a person, but what is a person?

As you are the one bringing in the word personal and impersonal, and now I am telling you that since God in concept is the creator of the universe and everything with a beginning, so He is also a person; do you notice that we two must now work together to concur on what is the concept of person.

I give you the right of first opinion, because you are the one to have brought up the words personal and impersonal, which two words are of the same base word person.

Think on facts and logic, and produce your concept of what is a person.

Sus, can you please stop asking people to define words? It's so tedious and we get nowhere.. In fact we move backwards.

You are asking for people's questions, yet have ignored dozens, possibly 100+ questions in this thread. Many of which have been asked repeatedly, by different people, both atheist and theist.

I will try and engage with you one last time.. I have two questions.

1) Using only FACTS and LOGIC please give me your evidence for a 'creator' of the universe. Not in the form of an obscure story, but just as a scientist would present evidence.

2) 'If' we lived in a universe that was without a creator, what would be main differences to the God created one you say we live in?

Please both answer questions as if you were explaining to a 10 yr old child.

This does not follow from facts nor logic.

Consistency, Susmario: you do not practice it.

Susmario's response:

What he said!

Communicating with Susmario is like masturbating with a cheese grater.

That post below from me was posted in this thread, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...e-god-1481459/ -- but moved by the moderator to this here thread my own.

It is my massive critical comment on the folks there that they have not focused on God in concept as the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning: so whatever they are talking about God but not in that concept is of no concern to intelligent humans who will not go for anything as God, unless He is the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.

What about you guys here, are you going to focus on God in concept as the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning or not?

If not, then you are guys like Kung Fu fighters who talk endlessly taunting each other, but never daring to face the number 1 ever champion of King Fu: because he started Kung Fu and he still lives (this is just an illustration of course) and no one has ever knocked him down.



Okay, guys here and in particular atheists let us all at least keep in your mind the information of the concept of God as creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.

I say information, because some of you atheist guys seem to harbor the I will call it superstition: that if you so much as admit that you know the concept of God, then you might be influenced to already incline your mind to think on facts and logic to consider with an open mind, how it can be proven that there is an entity in objective reality that corresponds to the concept of God, as creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning.

That is why I say information of the concept of God, so that you at least will assure yourselves that you are not in any substantial link having your mind already touched by even just the concept of God, but still know what you are targeting at negatively to deny -- otherwise it is irrational for you guys to deny God without getting at least the material information of God.

Of course you say you know the concept and it is a celestial teapot (Bertrand Russell) or more malingering atheists today, flying spaghetti monster, tooth fairy, Santa, invisible pink unicorn.

That is why I say you are superstitious because in throwing these epithets against God you are also into exorcising your heart and mind from God, that is what your resort to epithets comes to, your own kind of self-exorcism against and from the true God.

Crypto, so that we will know what you are talking about in bringing in the terms personal and impersonal, please produce your concept of what is a person.

I have also said that God in concept is the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning, so He is also a person: I have therefore my concept of what is a person.

I give the right of first opinion, but I don't see you producing as of now your draft of your concept of what is a person.

Now to atheists who are tired of knowing concepts of things or concepts corresponding to words they use and people use, including myself, please get to the importance of coming to concurrence on words and their concepts; otherwise how can you ever communicate at all, if you and your fellow humans are talking and you want to know what each one is saying, can you succeed to understand each other?

No, not unless you first have the same meanings of the words you are using, and in this thread people are using words like as with Crypto but not able to produce what they have for the meanings i.e. concepts of the words they are using.

That is why they are in fact talking without knowing what they are saying, except perhaps only expressing anger, hatred, disgust, contempt, but never ever taking the task very important to find out what they are angry at, hateful at, disgusted with, contemptuous of, and why?

In particular with atheists, they don't have the concept of God that is really deserving of their negative sentiments, thereby they are missing the target they really should be shooting at with their anger, hatred, disgust, contempt.

It's like shooting in the dark or at most only shadow boxing, hitting the shadow but not the real object from which a shadow gets outlined from.

Okay, Crypto, stop being cryptic without knowing yourself to yourself an self-unknown crypt, get to think of the words you are bringing up, like certainty, and now, person.

I don't even think you are reading any replies on here and are instead just copying and pasting standard replies from your other forum posts. You are repeatedly mentioning things that haven't actually happened on here.

Double post ...

Still waiting for you to show that your concept of god actually exists.....

Did I say anything about a person?

You seem quite unfamiliar with the subject you picked.

Susmario, do you have any idea of what you are?

HEY BLONDIE...

Are you addressing me? I don't understand.

It's like he already had those replies written even before he signed to twoplustwo...

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how isn't OP banned yet?

LOL

Wow, it's been a long time since I've see that. So long I'd mistakenly remembered Lee Van Cleef as "the ugly".

I'd seen most all of the spaghetti westerns when I was a boy at the local movie theater when they were new. Damn I'm old!

Maybe OP is a schizophrenic AI. A loose definition of intelligence though.

What is your definition of intelligence. Give concise comprehensive definition in 50 words or less or you are a stupid liar! LOL

First time in this thread i have been able to understand the previous 10 posts!

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+1 !!!

Dear Crypto, I wrote this post [ 011315tue 1207h] below then something happened which decided me to take a long leave of absence from this board; If you care, look me up still in this website forum but in another board.

I really don't like to waste a post after I had written it, what with the investment in time and labor, that is why at this late date I decided to transmit it,


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Screen shot from Crypto in re personal and impersonal


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End of post not sent but now transmitted at this late date.

Next post below is my post which I am using for sending the previously unsent post above.


Regards to all you guys, we had fun didn't we? Look up my presence still here in this website forum, but in another board.


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pleas ban this guy