Ok

If through philosophy of mind (and the related science) we adhere to the body of thought that differentiates between conscious and non-conscious species -

then we begin to not only discriminate toward those we deem to be possessing consciousness, but to discriminate so far toward them that every species of life in this category is held to be of almost sacred value.

One systemic result of this is the dedication of enormous resources on political and legislative frameworks that cut people's personal liberties and limit their ability (as much as possible) to do any kind of harm upon one another. By extension, another systemic result is the pursuit of extending life (e.g., old-age) for as long as possible.

Now, both of these outcomes have numerous other determinants as well, but first and foremost comes the belief (often implicit) that consciousness (as defined by us) is valuable in and of itself. Perhaps we're placing too much value on human consciousness and on humans themselves, and perhaps the planet is beginning to signal this misalignment with nature's principles.

With the energy demands increasing, through populations rising and surviving longer, we are struggling to keep pace and we are being pushed to use non-renewable sources. If you consider the planet as a host, much like our human bodies are hosts to various life forms: then just like a human body warms up to beat off a virus or an infection, so too does the planet.

Now most of this is HIGHLY speculative, obviously. But interesting nonetheless. I have a tenuous understanding of the underlying mechanisms of this idea, at best, and that is all I can really describe here for the moment.

P.S. I'm also not implying that all species of life ought to be viewed as equally valuable, but quite the contrary: that none are likely to be valuable (see Panpsychism) and that value and resources could potentially instead be directed using alternative measures.

There's 0 reasons to be an Atheist.

Pascal's wager, amirite?

I am 100% serious. I am not a bible thumper. I'm not even religious...I am agnostic..or uncertain...but why would you, as an x age human...try to theorize that after death black exist, and nothing can ever happen bc we can't prove it.

Thats nonsense. The age of the universe itself should make every1 believe in something. I guess atheism is more so the believe that there is no God, but the more I meet Atheist..it seems to be that their beliefs are that there are no reasons to believe in anything bc we cannot prove it yet...think about how stupid that sounds...think about how dull of a life you mat set yourself up for...relatively speaking by just believe in BLACKKKKKNESSS

Belief isn't a conscious choice imo

In your gut you don't believe in blackness, good 4 u (as you alluded to, it's less depressing). What about those whose gut differs?

Why would you believe you're never going to get rich? There's 0 reasons not to, it's just depressing to think that you're going to slave away for a modest wage the rest of your life ... how dull and mundane.

Why not believe in a better outcome? Of mansions and cars, not a care in the world except maybe for which charity to endow, you'd be able to help all you love. Why not?!?!?!?

You cannot use real world examples to question the universe man..the universe knows no time or current human ambition...it is timeless.

Its not that I do not want to believe in a false hope, its that youre the one limiting your own life by believing that nothing exist after you die.

I'm agnostic. Saying atheists don't make sense is where you lose me.

Again your referencing belief like it's something you can choose to do. Sure you can choose it in word but internally?

As dodger says, I do t choose to believe in nothing.. It is just what I have believed since about 9yrs old. It's what makes the most sense to me.

I don't see any other logical conclusion based on what we know

A question for you:
Is this a true statement for you: "I, AADYNASTY, believe in god"?

Earlier ITT I had asked you this:
You did not answer.

The point of course is that if you have no idea what could happen to you in the future, perhaps nothing, perhaps something incredible, how would that future event change depending on whether one person wonders and obsesses over it "what might it be, what might it be like", in contrast to another person that says "it's beyond us to know what it might be like, if anything, I'd rather focus on what I can experience right now. But if there is something in the future I'd be just as interested as the other person if it does indeed come along". And that 2nd person wouldn't have made any false preconceived ideas that might make someone make ****ty decisions in their current existing life, unlike the 1st person. Does that ramble make any sense?


btw How many atheists have you met that would say nothing happens after their death?
That's nonsense of course.
All sorts of things happen after you die.
It's just, none of them will involve you any more. *
*Ba-dum-tshhhh*



* that might have been a Jim Jefferies joke?

Susmario come back and finish this thread!

God does not exist
if he exists, he is an evil mofuga
letting 5 year old girls get rapped, (he likes watching)

So no, God doesn't exist

i was a believer for 32 years of my life but looking back i never really believed
if u believe u r going to heaven y not just kill urself or get in front of a train or not wear a seat belt.
It was a pastor who told ''look if u r an atheist that's ur problem'' and i was a believer but i started to think in his words and made some research

George Carlin stand up comedian puts it very well
Jeff Jefferies stand up comedian puts it very well too
look them up on youtube and u will lol hard

And finally search on youtube for darkmatter2525 best ever. He is a cartoonist, it is the nuts.