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06-07-2015 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Do you deny your own agency?
Do I deny that I exist? NO! What is your point?
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06-07-2015 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
Do I deny that I exist? NO! What is your point?
Are the things that you do "acts of God"?
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06-07-2015 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Maybe this will better illustrate my meaning (or my idiosyncrasies)...

I am also bothered by people who use the word "mom" in conversation to non siblings who do not share their mother. I have friends who will say, "I have to stop at the store, because Mom told to try the new brand". This drives me up a wall, because your mother is not my mother. Sure, I know who you mean, but don't talk to me like it's my mom.

I have another friend who does this with his friends that I don't know. We'll be talking and he'll say, "Steve went to the Cav's game last night". Who's Steve? He's a guy I work with. Do I know him? No. Then why did you just assume I'd know who you were talking about?

Okay, so maybe I'm a nit. But I don't do that. When I talk about my mother, I say, "My mother". When I talk about a friend to someone who doesn't know the person, I'll say, "This guy at work", "Or this guy Steve at work". I don't just assume that things in my life transfer to everyone else.

By the same token, when you say, "I'm going to pray for you", or, "I'm going to pray to god that someone gets better", fine... But when you say, "God will heal her", or, "God is watching her now", you've crossed a line, because your god is not everyone's god. Your beliefs are not everyone else's beliefs.

Okay, I think me and my soapbox have wasted enough of everyone's time now. I just meant to point out something that I found inappropriate and in poor taste. If you don't agree, you're entitled to your opinion. But it will continue to disturb me.
But you know who God is regardless if you believe in Him or not. He's not just Steve and not just some random person. And when someone talks about Earth, they don't say "my Earth" because, to them, we all share the Earth. Just as to a believer, we all share the same God even though people don't share the same belief. Muslims say Allah, not "my Allah" because they believe Allah is everyone's God. This shouldn't be offensive as their goal is not to convince you but, rather, semantically correct given their religious beliefs.

I actually think I see what you're saying and can see why maybe you'd get frustrated over years of hearing these things when you don't believe them. But if you let minor nuances in communication like this become more severe annoyances, as you seemed to have done, you're setting yourself up to be pretty miserable. Best to let it go and chalk it up to the way things are. Not because people are trying to convert you but because it makes sense to them to express their beliefs in that way. Hope that makes sense.
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06-07-2015 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pork_Chop
As previously mentioned, what's ridiculous is your assertion that those of faith should keep their faith to themselves because it makes them sound ridiculous or look like an ass. I feel I've made this abundantly clear.

You further post ridiculousness with your latter posts concerning offending people who do not share your beliefs. Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the issue isn't that others are sharing their faith and well-wishes but, rather, your own bias and hypersensitivity?

As you yourself indicated, the intent of these people is not misplaced. Why would you be offended by someone offering a blessing or prayer if it comes from a place that they hold dearly? Shouldn't it be considered a compliment or at least a nice gesture or gift regardless of if you believe in it or not?

I'll give you that I'm a bit bias since I'm a very open and unashamed Christian. However, if someone from any other faith offered me prayer or well-wishes, I would graciously accept even though I don't agree with them theologically.

What's offensive about someone praying or offering support from their religious perspective? They're not asking you to believe it. It's a way of letting you know that they're concerned and trying to help in their own way. Quite the opposite of offensive.

I have heard of "churches of reason" trending now. A place where non-believers can gather and have the community aspect of church without the worship of God. If such a member of a church offered positive thoughts for a situation I was enduring, I would be grateful and not offended in the least. I wouldn't agree with that persons perspective, but I certainly wouldn't tell them to keep it to themselves because they're being ridiculous or looking like an ass.
Dude, sorry to burst your bubble. This what I mean though, religious people are two-faced and are hypocrites. You talk about him being biased. Yet you are very very biased yourself. You are NOT a little bit bias, you are bias to the maximum. You take NO ONE ELSE'S word on board, dismiss it completely. Do you not even realise that? So close minded and biased!

Some more bias from you. Just because you BELIEVE he should not be mad at people publically showing their beliefs. Does not mean everyone should believe this! Do you see how biasd you are yourself.

Finally and to think that religious people get taught to be open minded and respect one's neighbour.
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06-07-2015 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Are the things that you do "acts of God"?
If he exists, yes! Are you denying this? If so he wouldn't be the grand creator would he!
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06-07-2015 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
If he exists, yes! Are you denying this? If so he wouldn't be the grand creator would he!
So if God exists, then you don't have any agency?
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06-07-2015 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
Dude, sorry to burst your bubble. This what I mean though, religious people are two-faced and are hypocrites. You talk about him being biased. Yet you are very very biased yourself. You are NOT a little bit bias, you are bias to the maximum. You take NO ONE ELSE'S word on board, dismiss it completely. Do you not even realise that? So close minded and biased!

Some more bias from you. Just because you BELIEVE he should not be mad at people publically showing their beliefs. Does not mean everyone should believe this! Do you see how biasd you are yourself.

Finally and to think that religious people get taught to be open minded and respect one's neighbour.
What in the world are you talking about? I'm attempting to explain why people aren't intending to offend when they make public posts. I never shared my worldviews so who are you to say what I believe and don't believe?

What hypocrisy are you referring to? Your post literally makes no sense aside from whatever bizarre assumptions you're making about me in your mind. This is a level, right?
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06-07-2015 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
So if God exists, then you don't have any agency?
Correct! Or he wouldn't be the grand creator!
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06-07-2015 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pork_Chop
What in the world are you talking about? I'm attempting to explain why people aren't intending to offend when they make public posts. I never shared my worldviews so who are you to say what I believe and don't believe?

What hypocrisy are you referring to? Your post literally makes no sense aside from whatever bizarre assumptions you're making about me in your mind. This is a level, right?
"As previously mentioned, what's ridiculous is your assertion that those of faith should keep their faith to themselves because it makes them sound ridiculous or look like an ass. I feel I've made this abundantly clear."

I thought you were making the above point? Aren't you saying that OP should not get offended if people publicly share their faith? Just because you believe it is ridiculous!

Aren't you calling him out about his beliefs?

That kind of hypocrisy!

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06-07-2015 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pork_Chop
What in the world are you talking about? I'm attempting to explain why people aren't intending to offend when they make public posts. I never shared my worldviews so who are you to say what I believe and don't believe?

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I'll give you that I'm a bit bias since I'm a very open and unashamed Christian. However, if someone from any other faith offered me prayer or well-wishes, I would graciously accept even though I don't agree with them theologically.
Is that not you saying you're a Christian?
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06-07-2015 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
Correct! Or he wouldn't be the grand creator!
So you think a grand creator cannot create something with independent agency?
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06-07-2015 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
Is that not you saying you're a Christian?
I most certainly am but not all Christians are the same AND I have no idea what someone being a Christian means in your eyes and your perception.
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06-07-2015 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
So you think a grand creator cannot create something with independent agency?
Yes he could, as he is the grand creator. But that would not make any sense!
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06-07-2015 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pork_Chop
I most certainly am but not all Christians are the same AND I have no idea what someone being a Christian means in your eyes and your perception.
Part of your World View? I have edited a few posts above, have you noticed?
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06-07-2015 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
"As previously mentioned, what's ridiculous is your assertion that those of faith should keep their faith to themselves because it makes them sound ridiculous or look like an ass. I feel I've made this abundantly clear."

I thought you were making the above point? Aren't you saying that OP should not get offended if people publicly share their faith? Just because you believe it is ridiculous!

Aren't you calling him out about his beliefs?

That kind of hypocrisy!
By pointing out someone else's hypocrisy, you're trying to call me a hypocrite? I never said he should keep his opinion to himself. If I alluded to that, it was to demonstrate a point that he shouldn't be telling people to keep their opinions to themselves because they're ridiculous when others find his opinion ridiculous. I was demonstrating a point that he shouldn't be telling anyone to keep their mouths shut for the reasons he stated because the same could be said about himself. Everyone else understood what I was saying. Are you high?
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06-07-2015 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pork_Chop
By pointing out someone else's hypocrisy, you're trying to call me a hypocrite? I never said he should keep his opinion to himself. If I alluded to that, it was to demonstrate a point that he shouldn't be telling people to keep their opinions to themselves because they're ridiculous when others find his opinion ridiculous. I was demonstrating a point that he shouldn't be telling anyone to keep their mouths shut for the reasons he stated because the same could be said about himself. Everyone else understood what I was saying. Are you high?
I understand what YOU ARE TRYING TO POINT OUT. But that still is hypocrite, how do you not see that?

If you are demonstrating that he shouldn't be telling people to keep their mouths shut for the reasons he stated, yet here you are trying to persuade him that HE is being ridiculous and should shut up!

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06-07-2015 , 09:41 PM
Answer my other posts or has it come to your attention that you are full of it. Lots of contradictions and lies, to get some point of your's across??
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06-07-2015 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
Yes he could, as he is the grand creator. But that would not make any sense!
Why not?
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06-07-2015 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Why not?
LOL
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06-07-2015 , 09:50 PM
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Why not?
Do you believe you are FREE?
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06-07-2015 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
Do you believe you are FREE?
I notice that you're not really addressing the issue. What is your concept of "grand designer" that is capable of making creatures with independent agency but for some reason it "doesn't make sense"?

It's entirely possible that the God you're describing really doesn't make sense, but that's really only a statement about your concept of God, and it seems you've done nothing to attempt to reconcile your understanding with any of the generally understood conceptions of God.
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06-07-2015 , 09:59 PM
You ask me questions, I ask you questions! Seems though that all you want to do is ask questions and not give any answers. I have answered several of your questions though!
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06-07-2015 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
I notice that you're not really addressing the issue. What is your concept of "grand designer" that is capable of making creatures with independent agency but for some reason it "doesn't make sense"?

It's entirely possible that the God you're describing really doesn't make sense, but that's really only a statement about your concept of God, and it seems you've done nothing to attempt to reconcile your understanding with any of the generally understood conceptions of God.
If you build an unsafe tree house for your children, do you take responsibility if one of your children gets hurt?
I'll expand and make my point already.

Should your child suffer because you are an incompetent carpenter?

Should you create this house with nails not fully hammered in and one of your child get hurt, who's to blame? The child or the carpenter?
Lets take this example as the nail not hammered in correctly(a person with an independent agency) with a nail that is hammered in correctly (a person that has no independent agency) How do you safeguard your children? Which way would you create the tree house with properly hammered in nails or not?

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06-07-2015 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by I am God
I understand what YOU ARE TRYING TO POINT OUT. But that still is hypocrite, how do you not see that?

If you are demonstrating that he shouldn't be telling people to keep their mouths shut for the reasons he stated, yet here you are trying to persuade him that HE is being ridiculous and should shut up!
Again, I never said he shouldn't share his opinion. Your whole premise is flawed.
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06-07-2015 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pork_Chop
Again, I never said he shouldn't share his opinion. Your whole premise is flawed.
LOL, you are calling him out, calling his stance ridiculous!
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