Nobody thinks a face will evolve by itself. Your argument is simple. I stated an argument earlier, so counter my argument, Christian.

Well if you're an atheist...you think a human face did evolve all by itself....I guess them atheists are nobodys.

You appear to be seriously misunderstanding the argument. No one is saying that a super powerful being couldn't create and guide whatever he wanted to appear. That's as obvious as 2+2.

I doubt there are very many people who believe in theisitic evolution and a literal interpetation of Genesis. Those two are indeed incompatible.

Now at what point is life in the image of God? When God declares it as such.

Yoda Choda doesn't believe that. He seems to believe that an all powerful being could not use evolutionary tools to create human beings.

YodoChoda is operating under the assumption that evolution must necessarily be unguided and that is what is leading him into error.

Obviously if God uses evolution, then it is not in the inner mechanics of the evolutionary process you will find the influence, but in the factors that determine the selection bias.

Wrong.

God can only have done one of three things:

1. Culled those he didn't like, or otherwise prevent them from breeding
2. Subtly and undetectably altered, thousands of times, the existing genes of particular creatures
3. Subtly and undetectably interferred, thousands of times, with the breeding process, by either giving one sperm a push over another one, causing an egg to move down that otherwise wouldn't, or altering the DNA within these either before or after conception

They all seem rather absurd. Very God-of-the-gaps, and kind of pathetic for a creature who was once believed to have made Adam out of clay after everything else existed (note: NOT from monkeys or a common ancestor. Either the bible deliberately lies or it has major falsehoods).

Abiogensis. It's even been duplicated in a laboratory. In fact, the lab experiment was able to produce more amino acids than exist in nature.

Ahahaha, no. We have no idea how to get it working. Nor has it ever been even close to observed. And amino acids under ideal conditions do not a make cell (or even a protein). Abiogenesis is still a huge mystery.

First of all, it's not like I have this viewpoint just because of ignorance. Almost all of the scientific community is atheist. I read somewhere that for the "top scientists" (Nobel prize winners I think, forgot the name of their group), virtually every single one of them didn't believe in God. Like 99%.

For the card example, you distinguish between an unfortunate blind event and cheating by examining the dealer as he shuffles the deck and deals the cards. We can examine natural selection similarly, and there doesn't appear to be any "cheating" going on. Here cheating would mean some kind of divine or supernatural thing influencing natural selection. There have been countless experiments that have observed natural selection happening, such as the Galapagos finches experiment. In literally 100% of these experiments, there is not a single hint of any kind of "cheating" happening.

If there is no cheating/supernatural manipulation of natural selection, then we can assume there wasn't any earlier on Earth, during evolution that led to us. Therefore no matter how improbable it may have been that humans or intelligence can actually evolve, our existence is not design or creation and is due to chance, just like randomly dealing out cards and giving someone a straight flush.

No it's not possible. And if you manipulate the blind process, then by definition the process isn't blind any longer.

If evolution was guided and we were the goal, then God exists and he could fit the description of the Christian God perfectly fine. If evolution was not guided, but God knew at the start that humans would eventually arrive, then God exists and he could be called a deistic God. If evolution was not guided, then God doesn't exist.

So now the only question is, is evolution guided. Once you understand it, you'll see the answer is no it's not guided, therefore God doesn't exist.

a survey in 98 polled national academy members of those who returned the survey 7% believed in god, 72% disbelieved. others just had doubt. the numbers of overall PhDs that believed in god were much higher.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../394313a0.html

now you can argue that being voted into the national academy makes you a better scientists (keep in mind like all other organizations, there is some politics involved) so their opinions are the ones that matter. but then if that's true, others can argue that francis collins as the director of the NIH (the government organization that even national academy members may ask money from) is even "Greater"

Let me give a brief argument why evolution is not "guided".

First, 99% of species have gone extinct before humans arrived on the scene. If evolution was guided, why would he kill off almost all of his creation? Second, natural disasters affect evolution, and God doesn't control natural disasters (but if he does, then he is evil because recently tsunamis have killed millions of innocent people in India and Japan), therefore God doesn't control evolution. If an asteroid didn't kill off the dinosaurs earlier, then we don't exist today.

Third, if evolution is guided, then we would expect to see ZERO detrimental mutations. We would expect to see only beneficial mutations, when God has decided "it's ready for this species to evolve". Instead, we see exactly what we expect if evolution is blind. Random mutations that are indifferent as to whether they help or hurt the organism. Almost all these random mutations are detrimental, only a rare few are beneficial but these are important because they are naturally selected and drive evolution.

Fourth, if evolution is guided that means animals are under mind control by a designer. They don't appear to be. Why is it that, if we humans are the goal of evolution, tigers, lions, and snakes attack and kill humans? How do you explain the Greylag Goose's "stupid" behavior of using it's bill to push an invisible egg towards its nest when the egg is removed? You can youtube videos of this, type greylag goose.