but she didnt make a prayer? She was asleep and didnt know about the fire until she got the message(s) that they were ok

Also, these sort of stories always make me wonder why god only saves some people, and not others?

go east.

This story is very cliché because similar stories have been posted on every religious forum for years as I’m sure that everyone has a similar story. When I was a teenager, I had a 17-year-old classmate. She was, to this day (30 years later), the nicest and most kind person that I ever met in my life. She was devout to her faith and would never harm anyone around her, even at her own expense. One beautiful late spring afternoon, she stopped at a 4-way intersection on a country road. She started to pull into the intersection and a drunk driver came over hill and through the stop sign to her left at 60-70mph and struck her driver’s side door. She was killed almost instantly. The entire town was noticeably shaken from the entire event.

In the week leading up to the funeral and in the weeks following, all of her family and friends continued with the mantra of “God’s Will” or “God’s Plan”. I don’t think I’m exaggerating that I heard one of those two phrases over 50 times in the month following her death. I understand that people are hurting and needed to take comfort in something that was familiar to them. Every time I heard it, I smiled and nodded in agreement.

Every time that I hear a story about the “power of prayer”, I think back to the immense amount of pain and anguish that my little town went through over her death and I can’t reconcile it. If “God’s Plan” is to take a genuine “light in the darkness” (which I’ve only met three people in my life that would qualify for that distinction) and replace her with a family and a town full of absolute loss, then I’m afraid that I don’t want to be part of that plan and there is nothing that can be explained to me to allow me to understand.

She had been praying for YEARS for the family.

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but it seems so))

I never said it was. I'm looking for discussion. What do you base your beliefs upon?

Evidence

Ah, it all makes perfect sense now, of course you would believe that the voice actually did occur exactly as described, and that it was a god speaking, and not only that but the Christian god specifically out of all the possible gods.

No assumptions being made at all... #kappa.

I would be wondering why god allowed this fire to happen in the first place and allowed this girl to survive but be scarred for life, and more importantly, why god allows so many other children to die horribly in fires (amongst the many ways in which god allows children to die horribly). And the answer 'because god has a plan and that's why he allows children to die in horrible ways' would not satisfy me, I might even start wondering if in fact there is no god. A far simpler explanation for what we observe.

You are dealing with fanatical belief. Any time that this surfaces, there really isn't any need to ask for evidence or a logical thought process, it will not be forthcoming.

Good things happen to bad people. Bad things happen to good people. I have never been shown any evidence to conflict with the view that these are completely globally random events. If it gives you some sort of comfort to assign a matrix to the randomness of the universe, then I'm happy for you.

It seems that you are basing your belief or lack their of of God upon whether you agree with His approach to the way He handles the events here on earth or not. Most of her scars are not visible anymore. I don't know why bad things happen to good people and vice versa. God doesn't give us this info. That is where faith comes in. But God always shows Himself faithful in the end. I can't tell you how many times I have been in bad situations, even hopeless ones with faith in God that He will come through in the end and He always does.

xpaddingtonx, would you mind defining 'faith' as far as what it means to you (in common, everyday language - i.e. your own words rather than simply copy/pasting scripture)? tx

Right, faith. Again with the tortuous and easily explained justifications for believing in such a cruel and unlikely entity. The far simpler explanation is that there is no such entity. However, I understand why the idea holds such appeal for you, (although I don't know how you bring yourself to worship such a despicable being) and of course that you have probably been 'influenced' by adults who hold these beliefs.