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Old 06-01-2012, 02:01 PM   #121
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that has certainly occurred to me.

i have no doubt that you are on a much higher mental level on supernatural intelligence and many other non-existent things.
I was speaking in general.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:03 PM   #122
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Wow.
From what I've come across on it stoning was hardly ever used by the Jews.

And from what I can tell atheists never even look into this aspect at all.

They just assume it happened all the time. I don't know why. The death penalty doesn't happen all the time today just because we've got it on the books in some locations.
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You sound like a psychopath. Children are still being killed TODAY for the imaginary crime of being witches.
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I do not. I'm just being analytical.

You sound over reactionary.

I guess you don't like the fact that your assumptions are not even researched being pointed out.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:17 PM   #125
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You sound like a psychopath. Children are still being killed TODAY for the imaginary crime of being witches.
What do you mean in Africa where they're still coming out of societies with old voodoo influences?

Research, research, research...

Else you do a gskowal blaming that Norway Xenophobe's murders on Christians (xenophobia is a mental illness in which there's an excessive fear of foreigners) or what sandmarc did this morning blaming a man's bad drug trip crime on the bible.
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What do you mean in Africa where they're still coming out of societies with old voodoo influences?

Research, research, research...

Else you do a gskowal blaming that Norway Xenophobe's murders on Christians (xenophobia is a mental illness in which there's an excessive fear of foreigners) or what sandmarc did this morning blaming a man's bad drug trip crime on the bible.
I'm not blaming Christians for anything in particular. All the Christians I've met in my life have been good people. I'm saying that you have a sick, twisted morality and have nothing in common with the Jesus that I used to believe in. You're a pharisee.

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Old 06-01-2012, 02:32 PM   #127
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I'm not blaming Christians for anything in particular. All the Christians I've met in my life have been good people. I'm saying that you have a sick, twisted morality and have nothing in common with the Jesus that I used to believe in.
I'm not talking about Jesus above.

I'm looking at the OT. The parts that nobody considers.

Richard Dawkins can run around claiming that religion is a contagious meme and atheists will lap it up.

But God can't look down at the world and see everyone is engaged in communicating evil thinking and do something about it?

People like to bash God for baby killing on here.

He's God. For all anyone knows those babies could be caring a psychopath gene ready to massively spread it into the human race. But does anyone consider that?

No, they don't but if God's omniscient then it's fair to consider that.

All they do consider/assume are the negative stereotypes.

God doesn't put a lock on your thinking. You can consider alternatives besides negative ones.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:57 PM   #128
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People like to bash God for baby killing on here.
Yeah, we're crazy to condemn God for the killing of infants. Don't you see how morally bankrupt you've become? You're actually rationalizing smashing babies on rocks. If any other religion was rationalizing this atrocity, you would see their garble immediately. I hope one day you could do the same with respect to your religion.
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:02 PM   #129
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I'm not talking about Jesus above.

I'm looking at the OT. The parts that nobody considers.

Richard Dawkins can run around claiming that religion is a contagious meme and atheists will lap it up.

But God can't look down at the world and see everyone is engaged in communicating evil thinking and do something about it?

People like to bash God for baby killing on here.

He's God. For all anyone knows those babies could be caring a psychopath gene ready to massively spread it into the human race. But does anyone consider that?

No, they don't but if God's omniscient then it's fair to consider that.

All they do consider/assume are the negative stereotypes.

God doesn't put a lock on your thinking. You can consider alternatives besides negative ones.
Do you understand why this argument is never going to fly with someone who isn't religious?

It's completely unfalisfiable, and just impossible to interact with in any way. You've given "God" a permanent get out of jail free card that automatically makes any event explainable by use of the hypothetical.

I could get my arms and legs ripped off tomorrow, and have my eyes and tongue pecked out by plague ridden birds that gave me diseases causing me to go deaf, and I'm sure you could come up with some convoluted reason that God is doing me a favor.

I'd have no way to argue with you, because it's impossible to disprove that years stuck in my own head won't bring me to a state of perfect enlightenment so when they figure out how to put my brain in a robot body in 20 years, I'll be perfectly groomed to bring peace and understanding to all mankind.

That's definitely more likely than "bad things happen." For sure.
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:14 PM   #130
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All they do consider/assume are the negative stereotypes.
It seems to me you consider/assume are the positive stereotypes

Are people who are extremely on one end of the spectrum any more objective then the people on the complete opposite?
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:15 PM   #131
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Yeah, we're the crazy ones to condemn the killing of infants. Don't you see how morally bankrupt you've become? You're actually rationalizing smashing babies on rocks. If any other religion was rationalizing this atrocity, you would see their garble immediately. I wish one day you could do the same with respect to your religion.
I'm not morally bankrupt because I recognize God knows things I don't.

Especially not when God is a progressively revealing God. He hasn't revealed everything yet.
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:19 PM   #132
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Do you understand why this argument is never going to fly with someone who isn't religious?

It's completely unfalisfiable, and just impossible to interact with in any way. You've given "God" a permanent get out of jail free card that automatically makes any event explainable by use of the hypothetical.

I could get my arms and legs ripped off tomorrow, and have my eyes and tongue pecked out by plague ridden birds that gave me diseases causing me to go deaf, and I'm sure you could come up with some convoluted reason that God is doing me a favor.

I'd have no way to argue with you, because it's impossible to disprove that years stuck in my own head won't bring me to a state of perfect enlightenment so when they figure out how to put my brain in a robot body in 20 years, I'll be perfectly groomed to bring peace and understanding to all mankind.

That's definitely more likely than "bad things happen." For sure.

Sry, but your meaning isn't clear here.
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It seems to me you consider/assume are the positive stereotypes

Are people who are extremely on one end of the spectrum any more objective then the people on the complete opposite?
We look to Jesus who is the image of God.

So if I can look to Jesus to know more about who God is then I can cut God a lot of slack.
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I'm not morally bankrupt because I recognize God knows things I don't.

Especially not when God is a progressively revealing God. He hasn't revealed everything yet.
You're simply rationalizing. As starvingwriter82 pointed out, you're just giving God a get out of jail free card. He could send down angels to molest and murder a busload of retarded children after giving them heroin, and you would still say it's a-okay. If that's not the definition of morally bankrupt, then I don't know what is.
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You're simply rationalizing. As starvingwriter82 pointed out, you're just giving God a get out of jail free card. He could send down angels to molest and murder a busload of retarded children after giving them heroin, and you would still say it's a-okay. If that's not the definition of morally bankrupt, then I don't know what is.
Sorry, I don't do hypotheticals. I think they're falsely prejudicial.

You could have bothered to study the God of the bible to know who He is.

Does anybody have any way to enforce anything against God?

I would say what and how I think about Him has more force against me than it does against God.

Why does God have to make a believer out of me?

I might have to make a believer out of Him.
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