I'm not blaming Christians for anything in particular. All the Christians I've met in my life have been good people. I'm saying that you have a sick, twisted morality and have nothing in common with the Jesus that I used to believe in. You're a pharisee.

I'm not talking about Jesus above.

I'm looking at the OT. The parts that nobody considers.

Richard Dawkins can run around claiming that religion is a contagious meme and atheists will lap it up.

But God can't look down at the world and see everyone is engaged in communicating evil thinking and do something about it?

People like to bash God for baby killing on here.

He's God. For all anyone knows those babies could be caring a psychopath gene ready to massively spread it into the human race. But does anyone consider that?

No, they don't but if God's omniscient then it's fair to consider that.

All they do consider/assume are the negative stereotypes.

God doesn't put a lock on your thinking. You can consider alternatives besides negative ones.

Yeah, we're crazy to condemn God for the killing of infants. Don't you see how morally bankrupt you've become? You're actually rationalizing smashing babies on rocks. If any other religion was rationalizing this atrocity, you would see their garble immediately. I hope one day you could do the same with respect to your religion.

Do you understand why this argument is never going to fly with someone who isn't religious?

It's completely unfalisfiable, and just impossible to interact with in any way. You've given "God" a permanent get out of jail free card that automatically makes any event explainable by use of the hypothetical.

I could get my arms and legs ripped off tomorrow, and have my eyes and tongue pecked out by plague ridden birds that gave me diseases causing me to go deaf, and I'm sure you could come up with some convoluted reason that God is doing me a favor.

I'd have no way to argue with you, because it's impossible to disprove that years stuck in my own head won't bring me to a state of perfect enlightenment so when they figure out how to put my brain in a robot body in 20 years, I'll be perfectly groomed to bring peace and understanding to all mankind.

That's definitely more likely than "bad things happen." For sure.

It seems to me you consider/assume are the positive stereotypes

Are people who are extremely on one end of the spectrum any more objective then the people on the complete opposite?

I'm not morally bankrupt because I recognize God knows things I don't.

Especially not when God is a progressively revealing God. He hasn't revealed everything yet.

Sry, but your meaning isn't clear here.

We look to Jesus who is the image of God.

So if I can look to Jesus to know more about who God is then I can cut God a lot of slack.

You're simply rationalizing. As starvingwriter82 pointed out, you're just giving God a get out of jail free card. He could send down angels to molest and murder a busload of ******ed children after giving them heroin, and you would still say it's a-okay. If that's not the definition of morally bankrupt, then I don't know what is.

Sorry, I don't do hypotheticals. I think they're falsely prejudicial.

You could have bothered to study the God of the bible to know who He is.

Does anybody have any way to enforce anything against God?

I would say what and how I think about Him has more force against me than it does against God.

Why does God have to make a believer out of me?

I might have to make a believer out of Him.

Fine, replace the example with something from the Bible, something equally horrible, smashing babies on rocks for example. Oh wait....

And from this book I see he's acted like a moral monster. Just because he's acted nice at times does not make up for the atrocities he's committed.

So "might is right" huh? You're describing God as a cosmic bully.

A cosmic bully?

God's power is an essential attribute to being God.

Can God be God if you can tie His hands?

He can still be God and not b****slap people for not agreeing with him, kinda like he's doing right now....

This thread has become absurd. 'IF you are a Christian, THEN you believe in baby-smashing.' I think that the problem here is that the ops consciously cling to a warped caricature of Judeo-Christian ethics. Perhaps this is a direct result of their nominal and superficial study of the scriptures, which fixates itself on a carefully-selected pre-technological, ancient set of laws in a culture and environment so foreign from their own that they lack the necessary tools to objectively study it. Then again, maybe they just lack a fundamental sensibility, and only prayer alone could help with that.

Especially when it relates to capital punishment, ancient societies were in a unique position. If you lived in a small hamlet of 150 people, and a boy raped and murdered a girl, what do you do with him? Do you take limited, scarce resources and build a pen for him and feed him and nurture him till he dies of old age?

Whatever laws were given were always given for the good of the society as a whole. Jesus came and turned all of that on its head. Jesus came and offered a personal program of salvation aimed at the individual.

We're not talking about rationalizing capital punishment in relation to the circumstances of past societal conditions, we're discussing God's affinity for killing infants (smashing them on rocks or drowning them). If you can't see there's a clear difference, then wow...

Wow. I mean, just Wow. This is seriously sick.

except to rationalize god's crimes against morality! thank goodness he doesn't exist!

A super religious guy saying he "doesn't do hypotheticals" is just too much Irony for me to handle.

Ahem.

You could easily add another 100 examples to that.

A+++++++++++++++++++++++.

Who were the Anakim and the Nephilim?

They're not hypothetical.

They're mentioned several times in the OT.

In the Hebrew Bible, there are a number of other words that, like "Nephilim", are sometimes translated as "giants":
Emim — the fearful ones
Rephaim — the dead ones
Anakim — the [long]-necked ones

Anakim (or Anakites) are the descendants of Anak, and dwelt in the south of Canaan, in the neighbourhood of Hebron. In the days of Abraham, they inhabited the region later known as Edom and Moab, east of the Jordan river. They are mentioned during the report of the spies about the inhabitants of the land of Canaan. The Book of Joshua states that Joshua finally expelled them from the land, excepting a remnant that found a refuge in the cities of Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod. The Philistine giant Goliath, whom David[42] later encountered, was supposedly a descendant of the Anakim.[citation needed]


The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.

—Numbers 13:32–33, English Standard Version

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anakim#Related_terms

Emim

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Emim ([pronunciation?]; Hebrew: אֵמִים) was the Moabite name for one of the tribes of Rephaim. They are described in Deuteronomy chapter 2 as having been a powerful people, populous and having a successful kingdom. They were defeated by the Moabites, who occupied their land. The Emim are also mentioned in Genesis 14:5 and according to Rashi, the name is translated as "the dreaded ones" (Hertz 1936) and the singular Ema/Emma (Hebrew: אימה) means "horror" or "terror".

"The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakim" (Deuteronomy 2:10-11).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emim

Why do you want to wax emo on the babies question and let your mind close down?

Are you going to follow where the evidence leads or aren't you?

So for Yahweh morality is subject to time and place.