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Old 05-31-2012, 03:24 PM   #101
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For the creation story to make sense scientifically, it must be allegory. Luke, one of authors of the Bible itself, disagreed (and apparently so did Jesus, or he would of clarified such a monumental error, which must of been widespread for Luke to believe as he did).
It all depends on how much God decides to reveal. Doesn't time inevitably cover up things?

Everything isn't made known in Genesis. Just what's necessary for salvation.

Just the other day I learned a fact about Jacob. It's in the book of Jasher not in Genesis. I would of never known about it if there weren't people who had better tools than me.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:30 PM   #102
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It all depends on how much God decides to reveal. Doesn't time inevitably cover up things?

Everything isn't made known in Genesis. Just what's necessary for salvation.
If you can't see what kind of farce your rationalization has become, then I really don't know what to say. It's not that he didn't reveal something, it's that he gave the wrong explanation.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:47 PM   #103
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Yes.
So the bible is not the true word of god then? there has to be some way of distinguishing what is and isn't allegorical besides "free will."

Either that, or god is a ****ing idiot.

I guess thats your choice to make.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:38 AM   #104
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You seem to think people have to make a public call on what's allegorical and what's literal in the bible.

We don't.
The man who was caught eating a homeless man's face and had to be shot dead to stop the attack actually had a girlfriend. And this is what she had to say:

He loved God. He always read the Bible. He would give you knowledge on the Bible. Everywhere he went his Bible went. When he left he had his Bible in his hand, the girlfriend is quoted as saying.

This is what happens when you stray too far to the faith end of the "faith vs reason" end of the spectrum.

Might want to keep an eye on that mental health, Splen.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:40 AM   #105
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So you think its completely ok if two people from the same following, hell, from the same church have completely differing opinions on whether a story in the bible is literal or allegorical?

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Yes.
Of course you do. Isn't it liberating to be free of the shackles imposed by reality and reason?
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:46 AM   #106
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The man who was caught eating a homeless man's face and had to be shot dead to stop the attack actually had a girlfriend. And this is what she had to say:

He loved God. He always read the Bible. He would give you knowledge on the Bible. Everywhere he went his Bible went. When he left he had his Bible in his hand, the girlfriend is quoted as saying.

This is what happens when you stray too far to the faith end of the "faith vs reason" end of the spectrum.

Might want to keep an eye on that mental health, Splen.
Yeah, you do like your Christian smear campaign.

But you can check ABC news. Police and medical personnel suspect the drug fad bath salts because they can trigger violent outbursts.

Maybe you can find the bible here where the Japanese cannibalized people but somehow I doubt it. Most Japanese don't read the bible.

Cannibalism

Many written reports and testimonies collected by the Australian War Crimes Section of the Tokyo tribunal, and investigated by prosecutor William Webb (the future Judge-in-Chief), indicate that Japanese personnel in many parts of Asia and the Pacific committed acts of cannibalism against Allied prisoners of war. In many cases this was inspired by ever-increasing Allied attacks on Japanese supply lines, and the death and illness of Japanese personnel as a result of hunger. However, according to historian Yuki Tanaka: "cannibalism was often a systematic activity conducted by whole squads and under the command of officers".[68] This frequently involved murder for the purpose of securing bodies. For example, an Indian POW, Havildar Changdi Ram, testified that: "[on November 12, 1944] the Kempeitai beheaded [an Allied] pilot. I saw this from behind a tree and watched some of the Japanese cut flesh from his arms, legs, hips, buttocks and carry it off to their quarters... They cut it [into] small pieces and fried it."[69]

In some cases, flesh was cut from living people: another Indian POW, Lance Naik Hatam Ali (later a citizen of Pakistan), testified that in New Guinea:


the Japanese started selecting prisoners and every day one prisoner was taken out and killed and eaten by the soldiers. I personally saw this happen and about 100 prisoners were eaten at this place by the Japanese. The remainder of us were taken to another spot 50 miles [80 km] away where 10 prisoners died of sickness. At this place, the Japanese again started selecting prisoners to eat. Those selected were taken to a hut where their flesh was cut from their bodies while they were alive and they were thrown into a ditch where they later died.[70]

Perhaps the most senior officer convicted of cannibalism was Lt Gen. Yoshio Tachibana (立花芳夫,Tachibana Yoshio), who with 11 other Japanese personnel was tried in August 1946 in relation to the execution of U.S. Navy airmen, and the cannibalism of at least one of them, during August 1944, on Chichi Jima, in the Bonin Islands. The airmen were beheaded on Tachibana's orders. As military and international law did not specifically deal with cannibalism, they were tried for murder and "prevention of honorable burial". Tachibana was sentenced to death, and hanged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes


Btw don't forget to study up on the Buddhist Nichiren sect. Not a particularly peaceful Buddhist sect at all and some say part of the reason behind Japanese WWII war mongering.


The Anti-Buddhist Behavior of the Nichiren Shoshu Priesthood During World War II:
http://sokaspirit.org/resource/newsl...dhist-behavior

Note: the Buddhists above accepted Shinto....hmmm...wonder why those Buddhists did that....Aren't most Buddhists atheists? Or are they?

Like I said in another thread, time has a habit of covering over everything...with the media's help, of course.

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Old 06-01-2012, 09:24 AM   #107
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Of course you do. Isn't it liberating to be free of the shackles imposed by reality and reason?
Shackles?

I'm the most realistic poster in this forum.

Do you know anyone who digs more into ancient history than me on here?

I would say that's pretty free.

Maybe that's why God says the seekers are the real kings.

I don't buy propaganda. I like to check things out. Read what's behind a label, etc.

Do you know that Japanese biological warfare isn't a well known fact about WWII? Why is that? Did somebody in power choose not to publicize the fact?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiro_Ishii
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Old 06-01-2012, 11:09 AM   #108
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Shackles?

I'm the most realistic poster in this forum.
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Maybe that's why God says the seekers are the real kings.
Sweet, so all of us that question all the stupid bull**** in the bible are the real kings. Bring on my crown baby!
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:06 PM   #110
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Meh. I can't help how egotistical some atheists are.

Atheists like to act like they are wiping out superstition.

But God was way ahead of atheists at wiping out superstition. If God hadn't given the law people probably wouldn't even know superstition is evil today.

Superstition is just one of many forms of evil thinking.
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yea...religion is wiping out superstition...
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:15 PM   #112
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yea...religion is wiping out superstition...
Read Genesis 6.

In it God is wiping out evil thinking.

Is anything more insidious than evil thinking?

How many levels of it do you think God had to wipe out to get us to our present situation which isn't perfect since you see society and people backsliding all the time.

Atheists like to deride God for saying he said to "kill witches".

You wanna tell me how you stop superstition or evil ideas and intentions without stopping evil thinking first?

Killing witches is a last resort after they fail at learning how to correct their own evil thinking and manifest their failure by their behavior.

A law is a warning. It's intent is to correct before things get out of hand.

Are ideas communicable or not? If they are then evil is communicable.
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Meh. I can't help how egotistical some atheists are.
Yes, we are the egotistical ones. I constantly go around quoting scripture saying I am a true king for being a seeker.

What a crazy egomaniacal jerk I am.
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Read Genesis 6.

In it God is wiping out evil thinking.

Is anything more insidious than evil thinking?

How many levels of it do you think God had to wipe out to get us to our present situation which isn't perfect since you see society and people backsliding all the time.

Atheists like to deride God for saying he said to "kill witches".

You wanna tell me how you stop superstition or evil ideas and intentions without stopping evil thinking first?

Killing witches is a last resort after they fail at learning how to correct their own evil thinking and manifest their failure by their behavior.

A law is a warning. It's intent is to correct before things get out of hand.

Are ideas communicable or not? If they are then evil is communicable.
You have a presupposition that the witches were the superstitious ones. It's just as likely that they were practicing the one 'true' religion, while yours is based on nonsense and superstition. Maybe they need to kill Christians as a last resort....
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You have a presupposition that the witches were the superstitious ones. It's just as likely that they were practicing the one 'true' religion, while yours is based on nonsense and superstition.
That's a tangent.

Why is it atheists get to be the knights on white horses fighting superstitious nonsense when God led the charge (change) thousands of years ago?
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ah, the noah's ark story...yea...that really happened

witches...yea...they exist. let me go get my torch.

thanks for the chuckle this morning, look forward to some more self-contradicting statements like 'god is wiping out superstition'. i wish all religious folks could read your posts. you would create more atheists than i ever could.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:51 PM   #117
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Did it ever occur to you people could be at different mental levels on different topics?

How do you tap into supernatural intelligence?

Reeni Mederos:
Supernatural Intelligence

http://www.elijahlist.com/words/disp....html?ID=10186
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that has certainly occurred to me.

i have no doubt that you are on a much higher mental level on supernatural intelligence and many other non-existent things.
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Killing witches is a last resort after they fail at learning how to correct their own evil thinking and manifest their failure by their behavior.
Wow.
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Killing witches is a last resort after they fail at learning how to correct their own evil thinking and manifest their failure by their behavior.
Kinda like the jews amiright?

Your views disgust me
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that has certainly occurred to me.

i have no doubt that you are on a much higher mental level on supernatural intelligence and many other non-existent things.
I was speaking in general.
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Wow.
From what I've come across on it stoning was hardly ever used by the Jews.

And from what I can tell atheists never even look into this aspect at all.

They just assume it happened all the time. I don't know why. The death penalty doesn't happen all the time today just because we've got it on the books in some locations.
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You sound like a psychopath. Children are still being killed TODAY for the imaginary crime of being witches.
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I do not. I'm just being analytical.

You sound over reactionary.

I guess you don't like the fact that your assumptions are not even researched being pointed out.
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You sound like a psychopath. Children are still being killed TODAY for the imaginary crime of being witches.
What do you mean in Africa where they're still coming out of societies with old voodoo influences?

Research, research, research...

Else you do a gskowal blaming that Norway Xenophobe's murders on Christians (xenophobia is a mental illness in which there's an excessive fear of foreigners) or what sandmarc did this morning blaming a man's bad drug trip crime on the bible.
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