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Can god commit suicide? Can god commit suicide?

04-24-2009 , 04:53 AM
This isn't some joke about Christianity. I wonder if God can cease to exist forever. I don't see why not. Being all-knowing and all-powerful does not seem like it would be particularly interesting for eternity. I think God would end its own existence at some point. Forever is an extremely long time.
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04-24-2009 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
This isn't some joke about Christianity. I wonder if God can cease to exist forever. I don't see why not. Being all-knowing and all-powerful does not seem like it would be particularly interesting for eternity. I think God would end its own existence at some point. Forever is an extremely long time.
I'm sure he could....but his replacement would be himself.
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04-24-2009 , 08:04 PM
i thought god was outside of time, so its not really an appropriate question...
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04-24-2009 , 08:32 PM
im pretty sure god suiciding created the known universe, and it is up to us to create him again through technology thus completing the circle
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04-24-2009 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HIV
im pretty sure god suiciding created the known universe, and it is up to us to create him again through technology thus completing the circle
holy ****, brilliant! except ur only proof is weed
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04-24-2009 , 08:38 PM
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im pretty sure god suiciding created the known universe, and it is up to us to create him again through technology thus completing the circle
Start a new religion.
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04-24-2009 , 08:53 PM
WTF are you on???
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04-24-2009 , 09:04 PM
Might be a decent premise for a comic book, God dies and all hell breaks loose. Or it might be a silly premise. Or it might be a common theme in ancient mythology for all I know.

Last edited by EvilSteve; 04-24-2009 at 09:21 PM. Reason: Auto-deicide is a very exotic crime
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04-24-2009 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
This isn't some joke about Christianity. I wonder if God can cease to exist forever. I don't see why not. Being all-knowing and all-powerful does not seem like it would be particularly interesting for eternity. I think God would end its own existence at some point.
And God would have seen it coming all along. Maybe the realization of impending suicide was too much to bear.
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04-24-2009 , 09:17 PM
My first posting at 2+2 and it's in this thread. lol.
Interesting question. I suppose He/She could if that was desired. But where would He/She go? According to some denominations, those that commit suicide go to Hell.

Secondly, suicide is usually associated with some sort of depression or desperate situation. What would the All-Powerful find so depressing that He/She would even contemplate suicide? The existence of a higher power, a Prime Mover, an Initial Cause? 72 unsuited in the hole and all in with AAK on the board? (Hope this doesn't offend anyone .... )
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04-24-2009 , 09:24 PM
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Secondly, suicide is usually associated with some sort of depression or desperate situation. What would the All-Powerful find so depressing that He/She would even contemplate suicide? The existence of a higher power, a Prime Mover, an Initial Cause? 72 unsuited in the hole and all in with AAK on the board? (Hope this doesn't offend anyone .... )
Not in any sense of being depressed. Just some kind of let's call it "rational suicide"--I have no definition of what this means. Like, assume that knowing everything, being all powerful forever gets reallllly old and the entity chooses to relinquish these powers by not existing.
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04-25-2009 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Not in any sense of being depressed. Just some kind of let's call it "rational suicide"--I have no definition of what this means. Like, assume that knowing everything, being all powerful forever gets reallllly old and the entity chooses to relinquish these powers by not existing.
Getting bored is a human condition, not something we can attribute to eternal essences. Furthermore it is something that we humans can never test. After all, know any gods in your neck of the woods? And if so, do they get bored easily? Have you ever been eternal and all-knowing (if you get my drift). So that line of questioning can lead down a dead end road if you ask me.

And besides, if He/She is all knowing, they would know what would happen if they did commit suicide, so why do it?

However choosing to relinquish any godly powers could be done I guess, if the Creator wanted to do it. But that leads once more to the eternal question: Why?

Hope this helped more than it has confused. By the way, in case you didn't figure yet, I tend towards the aethiest side of things. (But am always open to strong evidence)
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04-25-2009 , 10:36 AM
I wrote a short script once where god committed suicide. It created a heavenly world for the first people it made, who were telepathically interlinked and thus never ever harmed each other or allowed each other to suffer, but it despaired because it itself couldn't connect with them at all. So it made us (non-telepathic) as its 'suicide note' to explain to its first creatures why it had to kill itself.

Adolescence will give you some very mawkish ideas.
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04-25-2009 , 10:42 AM
Where would he/she go if he/she died?
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04-25-2009 , 10:43 AM
Iowa.
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04-25-2009 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
This isn't some joke about Christianity. I wonder if God can cease to exist forever. I don't see why not. Being all-knowing and all-powerful does not seem like it would be particularly interesting for eternity. I think God would end its own existence at some point. Forever is an extremely long time.
The "ground-of-being" ( Tillich ) can't end its own existence; for then, what
would exist?
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04-25-2009 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveW
Getting bored is a human condition, not something we can attribute to eternal essences.
Bad line to take imo.

Being jealous, angry, disappointed, spiteful, manipulative, loving, compassionate, hopeful, and proud are also human conditions, but they somehow seem to make their way up into God's nature.
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04-25-2009 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Bad line to take imo.

Being jealous, angry, disappointed, spiteful, manipulative, loving, compassionate, hopeful, and proud are also human conditions, but they somehow seem to make their way up into God's nature.
Speculation I assume. Or are you claiming personal knowledge. An accurate statement IMO would be that human representations of God contain these elements. But would that not just be a manifestation of the human tendency to anthropomorphize everything we try to understand. That would be expected whether God exists or not.

I am not sure your line is a good one.
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04-25-2009 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
This isn't some joke about Christianity. I wonder if God can cease to exist forever. I don't see why not. Being all-knowing and all-powerful does not seem like it would be particularly interesting for eternity. I think God would end its own existence at some point. Forever is an extremely long time.
If you are a trinitarian and believe that Jesus was God then you would essentially have to believe that God could commt suicide, which is impossible and not even close to the truth. That is why the doctrine of the trinity os so stupid and those who believe that Christ is God are so messed up and confused mentally. It makes no sense at all, If I were an athiest I would laugh all day long about this doctrine...

If I did not know the real truth I would probably become a athiest if someone presented this ******ed doctrine to me and then said that it was the cornerstone of Christiainity, what a joke...

Make fun of it all you want, it is a joke as far as I am concerned...

Pletho
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04-25-2009 , 04:01 PM
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If you are a trinitarian and believe that Jesus was God then you would essentially have to believe that God could commt suicide, which is impossible and not even close to the truth. That is why the doctrine of the trinity os so stupid and those who believe that Christ is God are so messed up and confused mentally. It makes no sense at all, If I were an athiest I would laugh all day long about this doctrine...

If I did not know the real truth I would probably become a athiest if someone presented this ******ed doctrine to me and then said that it was the cornerstone of Christiainity, what a joke...

Make fun of it all you want, it is a joke as far as I am concerned...

Pletho

I read this and was motivated to go back and read the last half dozen or so of your posts. This is a level, right? You cannot possibly believe the things you have written in the last few posts. All the grammatical errors and misspelled words are added to enhance the effect. I would much prefer to believe that than the alternative.
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04-25-2009 , 09:27 PM
Just cruising the thread again and had this thought: If God did commit suicide, would his adherents follow suit? I am sure we have all seen those cults, fanatics, etc that have done similar things in response to the beginning of the new millineum for instance, at the urgings of their leader. If that is the case, and I am sure it would be, then God would not even consider committing suicide. How could He/She/It stand by while those that were created killed themselves? God couldn't live with that decision .... (oops, don't commit suicide God. )
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04-26-2009 , 12:03 PM
Would god, or something of it's equivalent (like a super "computer" in the future) have any reason to "live" at all? It would know absolutely everything.

I believe that when things reach this point, existence becomes pointless on a higher level than living to have sex.

If I was god, then I'd probably start again or something.
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04-26-2009 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
If you are a trinitarian and believe that Jesus was God then you would essentially have to believe that God could commt suicide, which is impossible and not even close to the truth. That is why the doctrine of the trinity os so stupid and those who believe that Christ is God are so messed up and confused mentally. It makes no sense at all, If I were an athiest I would laugh all day long about this doctrine...

If I did not know the real truth I would probably become a athiest if someone presented this ******ed doctrine to me and then said that it was the cornerstone of Christiainity, what a joke...

Make fun of it all you want, it is a joke as far as I am concerned...

Pletho
What is this 'real truth'? PM me or something. I'd prefer to not hijack this thread.
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04-27-2009 , 02:29 PM
No. life is a human / animal concept. he's all-powerful, but he can't end his own existence because he's intrinsically eternal, and even an all-powerful being can't change its inherant nature.

before the universe was created, there was nothing. it was an empty void.

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04-27-2009 , 07:42 PM
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he's all-powerful, but he can't end his own existence because he's intrinsically eternal, and even an all-powerful being can't change its inherant nature.
This is illogical. If it cannot end its existence then it is by definition not all-powerful.
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