The real question is, how did Joseph ever please Mary again?

I will hold you to this statement. It is one thing to say we are all sinners, it is another to say we are all evil. I don't want you backing ut and saying you never said that, when I mention this in the future.

Awesome.

Well to be fair, your religion was not the first and it borrowed many of its stories from older ones, so your point is valid even though your application of it is flawed.

Oh did you buy into that?

You didn't know the devil majored in counterfeits?

I do not know how to have a reasonable discourse with someone who thinks that religions older than judeo-christian writings stole the judeo-christian stories.

Why? You can't beat the simplicity of my logic.

God and Satan predated any myths on this earth.

Even the Steiner afficionados on this board get that.

If you're going to take on religion you'll have to broaden your time horizons considerably.

thats why its miraculous.

even as an atheist, i find this line of questioning to be utterly pointless. clearly believers have no problem accepting miraculous godly interventions. (although one wonders about how powerful a god is who cant make a universe in which he doesnt have to constantly make adjustments in.)

I think you are missing the point of the question.

If Jesus is halfman/halfgod, this has direct implications on what his DNA code is. If God gave him his code, that means God is made of DNA and evolved, or he used made up DNA which means he is not half God. If he didn't use DNA, than where did the second half of the code come from, Mary?

Half man half God means his body was human but his spirit was God. I agree with Dragonystic on this one, the physical DNA is really kind of irrelevant.

The immaculate conception is not biblical. Mary was certainly a sinner and needed saving just like anyone else.

just b/c you dont give permission doesnt mean you are not willing eh?

Could you not use the same logic to say that the bible is in fact the work of the devil to stray people from God's true word that's actually in book [insert book not compatible with bible here]?

Than we are all halfman/halfgod, and Jesus was no one special. The trinity is three parts, I am just trying to figure out where the "Son" part fits in. Can't be the spirit because thats the holy ghost, It seems that because the father impregnates Mary as opposed to anyother means, this seems like the place to find what makes the son, "the son".

The Son is what gives you the Holy Spirit. If you do not accept Jesus then you do not have the Spirit inside of you. Jesus was God Incarnate and somebody for Man to actually relate to. God entered the world in the form of Man (Jesus) to perform miracles and prove God's existence by doing the unimaginable, which was the ressurection. The idea is that Jesus's impact was meant for Man to realize his need for repentance and therefore turn to God.

From RTB:

God

We believe in one infinitely perfect, eternal and personal God, the transcendent Creator and sovereign Sustainer of the universe. This one God is Triune, existing eternally and simultaneously as three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All three persons in the Godhead share equally and completely the one divine nature, and are therefore the same God, coequal in power, nature, and glory.

Person of Christ

We believe that Jesus Christ is both true God (the second Person of the Trinity) and true man (the Incarnate Son of God). We also believe in the great events surrounding Jesus Christ's life and ministry, including: His eternal preexistence, His virgin birth, His attesting miracles, His sinless life, His sacrificial death on the cross, His glorious bodily resurrection from the dead, His ascension into heaven, and His present work in heaven as High Priest and Advocate. He will return in glory to resurrect and judge all mankind.

Person of the Holy Spirit

We believe that the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity, is indeed a Divine Person, coequal with the Father and the Son. We also believe in the ministry of the Holy Spirit in salvation, a ministry which includes anointing and glorifying Christ, convicting men of their sin, bringing about the regeneration of lost sinners, and indwelling believers and empowering them for godly living and spiritual service.

Mankind

We believe God created mankind in His image and likeness (having rational, moral, relational, and spiritual capacities) to fellowship with Him and give Him glory. Human beings are therefore the crown of God's creation (possessing inherent dignity and moral worth), and thus distinct in kind from all other life on earth. Adam and Eve, the first human beings, chose to rebel against God and go their own autonomous way. As a result, all of mankind became separated from God, the image of God in man distorted, and the sinful nature passed on to all their progeny. Because of original sin (which includes both corruption and guilt), unregenerate human beings are incapable of pleasing or commending themselves to God. The only remedy for mankind's pitiful predicament is redemption through faith in Jesus Christ.

Of course you could but that's why we've got Christ to compare things to.

If you look at the bible Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the easiest books to understand. Clearly God wanted us to get Jesus Christ right above all other things.

Christ is foundational (basic). Every good thing in this world boils down to fundamentals and he's always right on every basic fundamental or root situation. If you follow his personal example its almost impossible to go wrong.

so let's say we find some of jesus' blood that got sucked out by a mosquito and trapped in amber, and we can recover his dna. ignore for now that the chances of this happening are remote, it is technically possible. would we then know the dna sequence of jesus? could we clone a million jesuses and have an army of sons of gods running around?