If God is real, and I am speaking about the Christian version of god I question could he have made a better world? and if so what would that better world look like? I doubt that God made the best possible world, so I want to tackle some of the problems that maybe God faced.

1. Overpopulation because there is no death
2. Free Will
3. Fairness
4. Objective meaning to life

Problem 1: Overpopulation,
If God is real, and he did in fact create Adam and Eve and they had family, and they had family etc.. and since there is no death (because there is no sin), how does God deal with overpopulation? If you say people can die naturally, what do you mean by that? What happens after death?

Problem 2: Free Will,
How does God make us prefect and still have a sense of free choice? Is it best for him to make us like robots? If he decides to not make us prefect does that mean there can be sin with no death? If we are not made prefect is it therefore possible to have objective moral values and what is the price if we break these moral values (if any at all)

Problem 3: Fairness,
How can God create a world so that everyone is equal but not the same? What I mean by that is if he creates two people and makes them both different, that one person could easily say "Why did you make him bigger" or "Why is he smarter than me" or "Why does he have more friends than me" or "Why is he better looking than me" etc...so how does God create fairness and a sense of individuality and not make robots?

Problem 4: Objective Meaning,
Okay so even if God can make us live forever and make us all prefect but different at the same time but in such a way that we are free but chose not to be jealous of each other, what would be the objective meaning of life? Would he create us so that he may be worshipped? Would it be to lead good lives but we are all prefect so leading good lives is what we are doing.

I dont know but you managed to spell perfect wrong 5 times !!!!

Sorry for my spelling mistakes I must proof read better. Sometimes I rush to type it out in case I forget what it is I want to say.

FYP

Now, to the OP:

1) You're worried about overpopulation when God can speak the Earth into existence.

2) If there are 3 possible choices, two good and one bad, have I removed your freewill if I reduce your options to two, both being good? Assume for argument sake that you will never be aware the 3rd choice ever existed.

3) By having every one instilled with a sense of purpose and all means to complete their objectives.

4) Is it even necessary? If so, does the joy of living suffice?

I dont really care, was just impressed that you spelt it wrongly the same way every time.

Well is Overpopulation a problem if no one can die?
Of course it is, we as humans take up X space, earth is only Y big with Z resources. Sure God could provide more resources by a click of his fingers, but I see that somewhat "mothering". Even if resources could be sorted out, there would be a never ending amount of people, sure God could click his fingers and make the earth bigger when the population needed it, but this seems to off balance any observable rules we might have of earth, it also leads to a limitless earth, a never ending earth.


I suppose what I am trying to get at is this, most atheists would say if God is real he is surly a horrible god to allow such evil to exist in the world. And from that I want to figure out what we want from a God. In other words what type of world and system could God create so that we, as humans, are happy - both with the world and with God.

I am sure you have all seen the matrix trilogy, in the thrid film there is a character called the architect the creator of the Matrix itself. In the epic part where he talks to Neo we learn that the architect created a perfect world, but no one accepted the program and everyone kept waking up.

Thats what I am trying to get at here. How perfect of a world could God create without us being robots, slaves or in someway not accpeting this perfect world. Think about, you can live forever, you dont really have much free will, you have a set Objective Meaning whatever that might but would that really makes us happy.

Heavens in trouble again.

No, most atheists would say God (capital G) cannot exist because the existence of evil is inconsistent with God's stated attributes. If an atheist was to suggest that "God would be horrible" if he indeed existed, the onus falls back on God's advocate to demonstrate why that would not be the case.

kb coolman answered you quite well, but you've ignored him/her for some reason.

1) As kb coolman pointed out, if you posit the existence of God you have to allow for any possible reality, because God would be all-powerful. Earth could be as limitless as the universe.

2) As kb coolman also pointed out, if God existed he could remove all bad choices without affecting "free will" at all. In any case, free will is already completely illusory. To varying degrees we are programmed, coerced, influenced, or forced to do everything we do. All of our actions are driven by desires beyound our control.

Ironically if you add an omniscient god to the picture, free will is further negated by his foreknowledge.

3) Apart from a sense of purpose, an omnipotent god could instill in everyone a sense of satisfaction.

4) The meaning of life would be derived from the aforementioned instillments.

I haven't seen the Matrix, but I've read its parallel story called Genesis. In that fairy tale, God created a perfect world too.

Assuming that's true, the answer to the questions in your OP is that reality could be exactly as God originally created it.

And as batair pointed out, if you think happiness can't exist in an eternal life without evil and suffering you're creating a poor argument for Heaven.

Mabye he's not done yet I imagine it takes awhile to make a planet. Can't be sure its not awsome till armagedon.

If god is real and has all those powers that allegedly go with it, and he designed us and the earth etc i'd say this.

God you are one hell of terrible designer.

Point 1.
Yes I am worried about overpopulation. If there is no death, then there would be an unlimited amount of people. I think thats a big problem for God, how does he set a limit without killing people off?

Point 2.
Yes I see your point. But God cannot lie to himself in saying to me there is your only two choices when he knows there is a thrid option.

Point 3 and 4.
I feel that by "instilled" we act just like robots. In other words how does God set an Objective Meaning for us but at the same we are free not to follow that path.

First there is nothing in Christianity which precludes the possibility that God created all possible worlds and we just happen to live in this one.

Second your term "better world" is really meaningless because your metric on what is better isn't necessarily the same as God's.

Speak for yourself, uhum.

You are right about the first point, but in the same way, there is nothing in Christianity which preculdes the possibility that God created a pink flying unicorn that is invisible.

Genesis 1:1-10
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Here God states that he created the earth, only one. So maybe you are wrong.

I agree to the second. Thats the very point I made in the other thread about God killing a 3 month old baby and it still would be morally good to god to do so.

You are wasting time with this nonsense. There is no God, you are God. You have one life to live, and you are God in that life. Forget the Bible and forget any search for meaning that leads you out of the real world and into the imaginary. The meaning is here, not anywhere else. The meaning comes from the limit of time. We don't have much, as we all know. So to waste it is a sin (in the real sense of the word, not the silly biblical BS).

No...its not like that at all. I would go as far to say that God creating every possible world is a logical consequence of the tenants of Christianity. Christianity states that God knows all that is knowable. In order for something to be knowable it must exist. So if God knows its possible for pink unicorns to fly and be invisible He must have created a flying invisible pink unicorn.

why?

I really can't believe there still are intelligent and bright people that believe in higher beings in this day and age. Although, can you really call someone intelligent if they believe such nonsense?

To answer some of OP's questions:

1) Why do you decide there is no death? There might be no death of the soul, but we leave the physical world at some point in time. Heaven is probably not on Earth itself, more like above it or something like that. So there won't be a problem w/ overpopulation of Earth itself.

2) I think your second question is kind of an oxymoron. But, as someone pointed out, you can make a perfect being and still let it do as it pleases if you provide it with a limited reality. Tha's not taking up it's free will and, in fact, we're getting into Matrix territory here. That's a really interesting topic to discuss.

3) All men are not created equal. But that's kind of a moot point, since if God did create perfect beings, they don't have to be perfect in the sense of physical looks, more in the sense of their thinking and morals. So if people are in fact created by God, then jealousy and hatred probably wouldn't exist.

4) The search of meaning is one of the oldest quests of man. If God indeed wanted us to feel some sort of sense, then he probably would make his presence known. That way everyone can worship him and everyone knows why they're here.

Although, as you can see from my answers above, this is all even far from being utopian. And it certainly is far from reality.

Also, one more thing. There are no "versions" of God. There is one God that different religions call w/ different names.

And lol @Mike Technique for comparing the bible to The Matrix. Just... lol.

So why cant the flying invisible pink unicorn exist on these other possible worlds that God created?

Because I dont want God to appear evil thats why I dont want death. If death is acceptable in this perfect world then it stands to reason that death is acceptable here and that God is not evil for such death, because it is needed.

I agree to everything else you said.

I agree that its all nosense. What I am trying to do is work back. What I mean by that is, some people think God is evil because he kills people, then my question is what options did God have to avoid that scenario of "death" in the world?

We dont have free will which I agree with, but working back how does God give us free will while still giving us the choice in believing in him or not in a perfect world and if we are perfect?

First of all, lets forget about all the bible BS and think about this in real terms for a sec. If there was really a God that overseed everything, I doubt he'd be creating perfect beings. I also doubt it's possible to create perfect beings. Not because God is incapable of creating such beings, but because there is no such thing as perfect where living beings are regarded. Optimal- yes. Perfect- definitely not.

Why do you consider we don't have free will? And, again, I'm not talking about the bs philosophical tongue-twister we're-here-but-we're-not kinda way. I'm talking about the practical, everyday free will. Did you not want to write this post? Did you not sit on your computer on your own will and write your thoughts on the internet on your own will? Everything else is just semantics.

Another thing people usually don't understand is, that God probably either doesn't care about Earth no more (he created it and now is off creating more worlds, with other civilizations and so on, which will be a lot better use of his abilities than fathering our pathetic kind) or he does, but he doesn't want to be bothered with every little detail. If, for example, a meteor was running for Earth he might move it. If your dog got run over by a car, who cares besides you? Who will know besides you? See my point?

Is the Christian god omnipotent or not? You can't argue it both ways. You're trying to bind a limitless creator with nothing more than a lack of resources.

Please defend this position.

I really don't want to go down the freewill argument path, since it's been done 100x already. But for the sake of a response, I'll say I do believe in freewill. In this case, you're arguing that a created being cannot have both purpose and free will. Why not? If instilled with an ultimate purpose which can be accomplished in a finite amount of time, why would an eternal being not have the freedom to pursue other interests? (FWIW, I feel my position here is weak.)

Yes God has unlimited power, but we do not. I dont think WE would cope with an unlimited amount of people and I think God knows that we wouldnt cope with the sheer volume of humans wondering around, everything would be so chaotic and dare I say pointless.

I am saying God cannt lie, as he hates all sin so therefore he would not lie to himself when he gives me two options, good and good when he knows there is a 3rd option. He would be lieing and that would not make him an all loving God to deny me the thrid option.

Working back, some people would say God is evil for putting people in hell when they chose not to believe in Him and thus cant be an all loving God. So my question from that would be, can God create a human race were by they are free to do whatever they want with objective goals - or - can us free will and we can still do whatever we want but if break the objective goal then there will be consequences for our actions. If you say let humans do whatever they want without consequence, then there is no objective goal in an unending life. Any and all humans in this scenario would end up doing everthing that could be possible be done.

If you go the other way and create a world with free will limited only to laws of nature, provide a objective goal with conequence then God would seem evil, would he not?

What I am trying to prove is if there is a God then he is not evil because he had to create some type of system which gives us a purpose, some limited free will, and that we are not like robots.

Dare I say God wants to create a little randomness. He knows that we dont know what we are going pick in future and maybe thats random enough for God, maybe not.

I'm suggesting that if flying invisiable pink unicorns are knowable by God then they must have been created on some world(not necessarily this one). To go a little further I would say the knowing about the concept of a flying invisible pink unicorn is different then knowing about actual flying invisible pink unicorns.

And just to be a nit you cannot have a unicorn that is both invisible and pink. So an invisable pink unicorn is nonsense and doesn't exist in the same sense that a square circle is nonsense and non existent.