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Old 04-27-2011, 01:12 PM   #1
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Is God Made Up of Atoms?

I know this will sound like just another provocative ďatheistĒ question meant to show the silliness and gullibility of belief in the invisible, but I am genuinely interested if theists have thought about this and if so, what they think.

Everything takes one of two forms: Matter or energy (if Iím wrong about this, Iím sure someone will let me know). Matter can be converted into energy and visa versa. Iím wondering which form god takes and has he ever morphed from one to the other?

Also, all matter is made up of atoms. The atoms that comprise everything you can touch (including yourself and other people) were once forged from within the inside of stars. The atoms that make up your monitor or the keyboard your fingers are resting on were created in a star. Is god made of atoms also? Does this mean the atoms of god were forged from within a star? If not, then where?

I know some say that god is a spirit, although I do not pretend to know what this is or what it means. Is spirit energy? Can this energy be converted to matter? Is this matter made up of atoms or at least the elementary particles of an atom? Surely, Jesus was made up of atoms (or do you think otherwise?). If so, where did these atoms come from? Were they forged in a special holy star, or did Jesusí atoms come from the same place ours do?

Again, I know these might sound like stupid questions, but they are ones that I have. Iím wondering what you think, or if youíve ever thought about it. Thanks.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:16 PM   #2
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Matter or energy (if Iím wrong about this, Iím sure someone will let me know). Matter can be converted into energy and visa versa. Iím wondering which form god takes and has he ever morphed from one to the other?
As far as I was aware matter IS energy.

Other than that, I always presumed God, when they understand it, is "transcendent" of mass and energy. Not atoms, not energy, but with the power to enter it. Retarded no?
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:23 PM   #3
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there was a thread a while back between bunny and ILOVEPOKER that dealt with a similar issue...something like "the mechanism through which god interacts with the world"...you might be able to find it searching here or google...
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:29 PM   #4
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there was a thread a while back between bunny and ILOVEPOKER that dealt with a similar issue...something like "the mechanism through which god interacts with the world"...you might be able to find it searching here or google...
Thanks. I'll search for it. But before I try to learn "the mechanism through which god interacts with the word", I'd like to understand how, what, or where he is interacting from and what it is comprised of.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:32 PM   #5
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As far as I was aware matter IS energy.
I think this is technically correct, although most laymen don't consider a desk to be energy unless it's on fire or something.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:42 PM   #6
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I know this will sound like just another provocative "atheist" question meant to show the silliness and gullibility of belief in the invisible,
A nicely phased characterization of the project responsible for so many cliff-launched flightless wonders.

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but I am genuinely interested if theists have thought about this and if so, what they think.
My conclusion is that God invented matter and energy and is therefore not made of either. Spirit is probably not made of anything other than itself.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:46 PM   #7
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No it is not.
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Old 04-27-2011, 02:37 PM   #8
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A nicely phased characterization of the project responsible for so many cliff-launched flightless wonders.



My conclusion is that God invented matter and energy and is therefore not made of either.
Then what is he made of?

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Spirit is probably not made of anything other than itself.
So are you saying then that god is made up of spirit? Can you at least try and define what a spirit is made up of? Or at least try and think about it? Everything is made up of something. Why do you feel you get to just assert something which is impossible and then not have it questioned? So...

"Everything needs a beginning, except god. Don't question it".

"Everything needs to be comprised of atoms, except god. Why? Because I said so. Then what is he made of? I don't know. Stop bothering me".

And you wonder why a non believer like me has no respect for your beliefs?
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No it is not.
Then what?
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Old 04-27-2011, 02:41 PM   #10
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What is an idea made of? For example, the idea that 1+1=2. Are those atoms or energy?
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http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1003.htm#article2

Aquinas first argument: God is pure act - to have potential is to lack something, and God does not lack anything or else he would not be God.

Anything that is matter has potential, even if it is to 'potentially be in another place'. God cannot be matter as he does not have potential.

I should market a shirt that says 'God has no potential' - it is something both theists and atheists could wear!
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Old 04-27-2011, 02:55 PM   #12
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What is an idea made of? For example, the idea that 1+1=2. Are those atoms or energy?
Good question. I'm not sure and have thought of posting a similar question in SMP. I'd like to know what "thoughts" are made of. Are they energy? Where do they go, and/or what do they convert to when gone?

I'm guessing the answer has to do with synaptic energy, which I don't understand too well. A lion sees a gazelle. Her synapses fire as she decides to chase it. But where does that decision disappear to once she's focused on the chase? Where do the thoughts during the chase go? I'm sure they are transferred back into the neurons of her brain somewhere and are not actually forever lost. But I don't know. It's a good question.

But god can't be like this unless his existence is simply a product of the human mind, similar to a thought.
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Old 04-27-2011, 02:59 PM   #13
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Then are you saying god is made up of spirit?
Sort of. Though I'm not sure "made up of" is quite correct. God is spirit would be a better way of saying it.

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Everything is made up of something.
Oh really? Is this an evidence-based conclusion which you can show here, or an article of your faith?

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Why do you feel you get to just assert something which is impossible and then not have it questioned?
I don't. Feel free to question my conclusions. I do so myself all the time. Let's have a look at your arguments for their impossibility.

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And you wonder why a non believer like me has no respect for your beliefs?
Not especially.
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Old 04-27-2011, 03:06 PM   #14
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Oh really? Is this an evidence-based conclusion which you can show here, or an article of your faith?
Name something that exists... Anything... That isn't at least comprised from atomic particles.
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Old 04-27-2011, 03:08 PM   #15
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Good question. I'm not sure and have thought of posting a similar question in SMP. I'd like to know what "thoughts" are made of. Are they energy? Where do they go, and/or what do they convert to when gone?

I'm guessing the answer has to do with synaptic energy, which I don't understand too well. A lion sees a gazelle. Her synapses fire as she decides to chase it. But where does that decision disappear to once she's focused on the chase? Where do the thoughts during the chase go? I'm sure they are transferred back into the neurons of her brain somewhere and are not actually forever lost. But I don't know. It's a good question.
So you would say that "1+1=2" is false if no brain is thinking it?

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But god can't be like this unless his existence is simply a product of the human mind, similar to a thought.
We'll worry about God once you deal with the consequences of your physicalist assumptions.
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