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10-15-2011 , 06:47 PM
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If we are not to judge God by man's standards, whose standards are we to use?

You have judged God yet will not allow a level playing field for me to do so.
If that is the standard you God teaches then you can keep that immoral S O B.

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I am not stopping you from judging God, I am only telling you that it doesn't make sense to judge Him as if He were human. God is not human and doesn't follow the laws He gave to humans. I don't see how this seems unreasonable. I mean, I told my dog not to sit on the couch, but that doesn't make me wrong for sitting on the couch myself.
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10-15-2011 , 08:37 PM
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I am not stopping you from judging God, I am only telling you that it doesn't make sense to judge Him as if He were human. God is not human and doesn't follow the laws He gave to humans. I don't see how this seems unreasonable. I mean, I told my dog not to sit on the couch, but that doesn't make me wrong for sitting on the couch myself.
Dose this go for theists who judge Yahweh as good, or just non theists who dont?
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10-15-2011 , 09:02 PM
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Dose this go for theists who judge Yahweh as good, or just non theists who dont?
It's universal. No one should judge God for how He abides by the laws He created for humans. I suspect you think I said something I didn't say.
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10-15-2011 , 09:13 PM
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It's universal. No one should judge God for how He abides by the laws He created for humans.
As long as you think Yahweh shouldn't be judged good or bad by humans, fair enough.

Though if Yahweh comes down and says he is putting me in a place of eternal torment. No amount of logic would stop me form judging him as an ass.
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10-15-2011 , 09:24 PM
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As long as you think Yahweh shouldn't be judged good or bad by humans, fair enough.
Where did I say this? As I said, you think I'm saying something I'm not. I can't think of how to clarify this except by repeating myself word for word.
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10-16-2011 , 03:25 AM
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Where did I say this? As I said, you think I'm saying something I'm not. I can't think of how to clarify this except by repeating myself word for word.
Well then color me confused.

If i shouldn't judge Yahweh as wrong for sitting on the couch. I certainly shouldn't judge him as right for doing so. Or. If i shouldn't judge Yahweh as wrong for breaking the laws he gave to us. I shouldn't judge him as right for breaking the laws he gave to us.
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10-16-2011 , 09:13 AM
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Well then color me confused.

If i shouldn't judge Yahweh as wrong for sitting on the couch. I certainly shouldn't judge him as right for doing so. Or. If i shouldn't judge Yahweh as wrong for breaking the laws he gave to us. I shouldn't judge him as right for breaking the laws he gave to us.
I'm not seeing what's confusing here. Judge God all you want, but don't do so by pretending He's human and not God. It's not wrong to judge God for His actions, but they need to be put into the proper context.
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10-16-2011 , 10:57 AM
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I'm not seeing what's confusing here. Judge God all you want, but don't do so by pretending He's human and not God. It's not wrong to judge God for His actions, but they need to be put into the proper context.
And that context, according to the Bible, is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. Non of these are human traits, so when we judge God's actions in light of his capacities, we are not being unfair.
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10-16-2011 , 11:46 AM
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And that context, according to the Bible, is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. Non of these are human traits, so when we judge God's actions in light of his capacities, we are not being unfair.
Do you think I disagree with something here?
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10-16-2011 , 01:26 PM
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I'm not seeing what's confusing here. Judge God all you want, but don't do so by pretending He's human and not God. It's not wrong to judge God for His actions, but they need to be put into the proper context.
Alright.
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10-16-2011 , 07:00 PM
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I am not stopping you from judging God, I am only telling you that it doesn't make sense to judge Him as if He were human. God is not human and doesn't follow the laws He gave to humans. I don't see how this seems unreasonable. I mean, I told my dog not to sit on the couch, but that doesn't make me wrong for sitting on the couch myself.
Do you ask your dog to emulate you the way scripture tells us to emulate God?

The bible says that if God can sit then so should man.

Is it good justice for a law maker to say, do as I say and not as I do since I am exempt from my own laws.

Is God allowed to rape and murder?

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10-16-2011 , 07:12 PM
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Do you ask your dog to emulate you the way scripture tells us to emulate God?
In the ways that it can, yes.

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The bible says that if God can sit then so should man.
Where?

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Is it good justice for a law maker to say, do as I say and not as I do since I am exempt from my own laws.

Is God allowed to rape and murder?
The lawmakers often follow different rules than the governed. It's hard to maintain order otherwise. Go ahead and try to do all the things your government does and see how long it takes for you to be arrested.
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10-16-2011 , 08:42 PM
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In the ways that it can, yes.



Where?



The lawmakers often follow different rules than the governed. It's hard to maintain order otherwise. Go ahead and try to do all the things your government does and see how long it takes for you to be arrested.
I see that you are not foolish enough to try my little question.
Good enough.
Then comparing God to man to dance around it tells me that we are done here. I do not have time for your kind of game.

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10-16-2011 , 09:18 PM
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I see that you are not foolish enough to try my little question.
Good enough.
Then comparing God to man to dance around it tells me that we are done here. I do not have time for your kind of game.
I've made my point explicitly clear in post after post. I'm not playing games or dancing around anything. Is there something about my point that you don't understand?
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10-17-2011 , 07:45 AM
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I've made my point explicitly clear in post after post. I'm not playing games or dancing around anything. Is there something about my point that you don't understand?
Is there anything you do not understand about dominion of earth having one supreme ruler and that is man?

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10-17-2011 , 07:49 AM
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10-17-2011 , 06:25 PM
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Is there anything you do not understand about dominion of earth having one supreme ruler and that is man?
First, I don't see how that relates to the point I'm making. Second, I'll defer my arguments to that to the posts in the Babel thread that are handling the same issue.
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