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06-17-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx

Not if the Bible says it.

Kurto meant it as a low attempt to discredit Pletho.

Do you ever think that maybe the poster Pletho is discussing with is wrong? Can you show us a case where you think Pletho was wrong in when doing 1,2, and 3?
Of course. There are many instances in which I agree with Pletho's interpretation of the scripture. There are many instances where I (and many theists) disagree with his interpretation. One of them is the "Jesus is not God" claim. Ask your fellow Christians why he's wrong, as anything I say will be shrugged off.
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06-17-2010 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

Of course. There are many instances in which I agree with Pletho's interpretation of the scripture. There are many instances where I (and many theists) disagree with his interpretation. One of them is the "Jesus is not God" claim. Ask your fellow Christians why he's wrong, as anything I say will be shrugged off.
So Pletho in those instances should not tell the poster he is discussing with that they are not dividing God's Word correctly? Shouldn't the poster who is wrong be made aware of that?

Can you provide us with Scripture of Jesus saying He is God?

"Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me" (John 7:28-29).
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06-17-2010 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
It is questions like these that make it crystal clear that some atheists don't put much effort at all in understanding God's Word, even though they claim they do.
So, Noah, his three sons, their wives and Noah's wife (?), seven or eight people, built a ship out of wood big enough to hold a male and female of every stinking species of land animal on this planet, and enough food to keep them all alive for the duration of the Flood (I don't remember how long this was supposed to be, and I'm not going to waste my time looking it up), that these same seven or eight people somehow managed to gather up a male and female of all these species, including those found only in North America, South America, Australia, New Guinea, Madagascar and many other assorted islands, and load them onto this ship, that this enormous, ridiculously heavily loaded ship somehow managed not to break apart or sink, that this crew of seven or eight people managed to feed all of these animals, and gather up all their crap and throw it overboard, and keep the predators from eating the other animals, then, when the flood was over, these same seven or eight people managed to distribute these animals all over the world, or the animals managed to make their own way to the most distant points of the planets, including swimming across oceans (if they could do that, why did they need the ship to survive the Flood?), and that the contents of this ship was enough to rebuild the entire ecosystem of the Earth.

Okay, now, how would "understanding God's word" make this ridiculous fairy tale believable?
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06-17-2010 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
But he doesn't use that as evidence alone that he is correct. He provides evidence in Scripture. Your guy's dishonesty is honestly making me sick to my stomach.
He doesn't always provide evidence in Scripture.

However, when he does, if anyone disagrees with his interpretation of the scripture he presents, he dismisses them as "not knowing how to rightly divide the word". The only interpretation of scripture that matters is Pletho's interpretation. Everyone else is wrong.

Last edited by Hopey; 06-17-2010 at 07:39 PM. Reason: I see that dknight already stated the same thing, and that Gunth still isn't getting it.
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06-17-2010 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
of course not, because you are misinterpreting his statement. Using your interpretation, there is no such situation. There is such a situation in which he claims to be right about his interpretation of the bible because he can rightly divide the word. But that doesnt count because he always follows that up with Scripture.
And why would I follow it up with scripture?

Because if God says it then its truth, and if I believe it, then I am right.

Thats simple isn't it?

And then this statement logically, axiomatically can be applied and deducted to be true.

"Anyone who does not agree with me, when I am in agreement with God's word cannot be right".

Thats simple, maybe you should slow down, calm your emotions and think through what I am saying, its perfect logic.
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06-17-2010 , 07:38 PM
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Okay, now, how would "understanding God's word" make this ridiculous fairy tale believable?
CORed welcome to RGT.

If you try to really understand God's Word, and really try to live by it, you will see.

Pletho, i really don't feel like playing with Hopey today, that's on you.
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06-17-2010 , 07:41 PM
[QUOTE=Gunth0807;19661986]
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Originally Posted by dknightx

So Pletho in those instances should not tell the poster he is discussing with that they are not dividing God's Word correctly? Shouldn't the poster who is wrong be made aware of that?

Can you provide us with Scripture of Jesus saying He is God?

"Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me" (John 7:28-29).
So hundreds of millions of Roman Catholics are DEFINITELY wrong about their interpretation of the above scripture, and you and Pletho are DEFINITELY right? Is this what you're saying?
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06-17-2010 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopey
He doesn't always provide evidence in Scripture.

However, when he does, if anyone disagrees with his interpretation of the scripture he presents, he dismisses them as "not knowing how to rightly divide the word". The only interpretation of scripture that matters is Pletho's interpretation. Everyone else is wrong.
Hopey like i have already stated with dknightx, this statement from kurto...

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You are your own self proclaimed authority.
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which is false since Plethos claim is derived from God's Word.
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06-17-2010 , 07:42 PM
[QUOTE=Hopey;19662194]
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

So hundreds of millions of Roman Catholics are DEFINITELY wrong about their interpretation of the above scripture, and you and Pletho are DEFINITELY right? Is this what you're saying?
Appeal to authority.

And we are not claiming they are wrong about their interpretation of Scripture as a whole necessarily, we claim they are wrong in some areas, and provide Scripture that is indisputable proof of that.
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06-17-2010 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
And why would I follow it up with scripture?

Because if God says it then its truth, and if I believe it, then I am right.

Thats simple isn't it?

And then this statement logically, axiomatically can be applied and deducted to be true.

"Anyone who does not agree with me, when I am in agreement with God's word cannot be right".

Thats simple, maybe you should slow down, calm your emotions and think through what I am saying, its perfect logic.
The problem is that the bible isn't written in clear, concise language. Not only is it a translation of an ancient language (actually many ancient languages), but there are huge segments of it that are meant to be taken metaphorically. No one in their right mind can claim that they can interpret every last bit of Scripture accurately. However, you do this each and every day on this forum. It is incredibly arrogant and just plain wrong. This what people have a problem with.

Last edited by Hopey; 06-17-2010 at 07:53 PM.
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06-17-2010 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

Appeal to authority.
Ugh...You just learned this term today, thanks to Sharkey. I suspect we'll be seeing it in nearly every post you make for the next little while.

And I'm not "appealing to authority" in trying to show you that you're wrong. I'm "appealing to authority" to ask you if you think it is possible that you're wrong and the RC is right.

Since I don't believe that God exists, it would be a little silly of me to "appeal to authority" on this subject. I think that both you and RC church are wrong.

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And we are not claiming they are wrong about their interpretation of Scripture as a whole necessarily, we claim they are wrong in some areas, and provide Scripture that is indisputable proof of that.
I'm quite certain they are wrong in some areas. But do you not think it is possible that you are wrong in some areas too????
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06-17-2010 , 08:13 PM
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Okay, now, how would "understanding God's word" make this ridiculous fairy tale believable?
Loaded question fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
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06-17-2010 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
CORed welcome to RGT.

If you try to really understand God's Word, and really try to live by it, you will see.

Pletho, i really don't feel like playing with Hopey today, that's on you.
Just do like I do, only respond when you feel you are supposed to, most of the time just let them blow up.......

You cant plug every whole in the barrel, its futile.........and a waste of time.
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06-17-2010 , 08:16 PM
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And I'm not "appealing to authority" in trying to show you that you're wrong. I'm "appealing to authority" to ask you if you think it is possible that you're wrong and the RC is right.
Regarding what exactly Hopey.

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I'm quite certain they are wrong in some areas. But do you not think it is possible that you are wrong in some areas too????
Of course. There are many areas which i have been shown wrong in. It is not because i am being intentionally dishonest, it is just because i don't have a firm grasp on the topic. And that is a huge reason why i post. I encourage any poster to show me that i am wrong regarding anything. (Insults do not show me i am wrong)

Everything i hear stated regarding God's Word, i check with His Word, if i don't know it as fact.
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06-17-2010 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
Regarding what exactly Hopey.
You're missing the point. What I'm asking is that if you believe it is possible that you have ever posted an interpretation of scripture on 2+2 that might be wrong.

Edit: This question is directed more at Pletho since Gunth already answered the question in the previous post. I thought that I was responding to Pletho, not Gunth.

Last edited by Hopey; 06-17-2010 at 08:30 PM.
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06-17-2010 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

Of course. There are many areas which i have been shown wrong in. It is not because i am being intentionally dishonest, it is just because i don't have a firm grasp on the topic. And that is a huge reason why i post. I encourage any poster to show me that i am wrong regarding anything. (Insults do not show me i am wrong)

Everything i hear stated regarding God's Word, i check with His Word, if i don't know it as fact.
This may be where you and Pletho are different.
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06-17-2010 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopey
This may be where you and Pletho are different.
I have stated this a few times before and i will state it again:

Pletho is farther along than me.
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06-17-2010 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I have stated this a few times before and i will state it again:

Pletho is farther along than me.
We'll he's probably got about a 30 year head-start on you.

Do you believe that Pletho is infallible in his interpretation of scripture?
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06-17-2010 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopey
We'll he's probably got about a 30 year head-start on you.

Do you believe that Pletho is infallible in his interpretation of scripture?
I believe Pletho is still learning.

I think there was only 1 questionable case that i haven't really looked into which was between Pletho and Megenoita in another thread, that i have seen.
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06-17-2010 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Believe me, I have a higher education than they do, my education comes from as high as it goes, straight to the top.
Quote for lols.
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06-17-2010 , 09:09 PM
GSP is not impressed by your post.
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06-17-2010 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Concerto
Correct, that is an appeal to authority. However, it is not an appeal to authority fallacy. Not all appeals to authority are appeal to authority fallacies.
So when Islam emphatically denies that Jesus was crucified or resurrected who do we appeal to?

When Islam denies that Jesus was the Son of God. Who do we appeal to?

Flip a coin?

Just ignore it because you were born in the Western Hemisphere?
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06-17-2010 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Weatherhead03
So when Islam emphatically denies that Jesus was crucified or resurrected who do we appeal to?

When Islam denies that Jesus was the Son of God. Who do we appeal to?

Flip a coin?

Just ignore it because you were born in the Western Hemisphere?
You go back and look at the gospels and when they were written, about 10-50 years after Christ was crucified, then you look at the Koran and see it was written about 500-600 years afterwards.
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06-17-2010 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerok
You go back and look at the gospels and when they were written, about 10-50 years after Christ was crucified, then you look at the Koran and see it was written about 500-600 years afterwards.
Thanks Jerok, did not know this.
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06-17-2010 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerok
You go back and look at the gospels and when they were written, about 10-50 years after Christ was crucified, then you look at the Koran and see it was written about 500-600 years afterwards.
Colossians 2:18
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...18&version=NIV
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