Damn... when atheists question ides we do it with evil intent, when Christians do it they do it with loving intent. That sucks.

you're still willfully ignoring the scope of what you're up against. you are disputing something that is unanimous consensus among all of science working in related fields. that's millions of the smartest people in the world who have all dedicated their lives to studying these fields in intricate detail.

so they ARE lying (40-45% of scientists are theists by the way).


i'm not debating you. i'm just having fun pointing out your self-contradictions and the fact that a person ignorant of science would be crazy enough and arrogant enough to think they know better than the world's entire scientific community (or if you're really leveling you got me again).

Argument from authority

Appeal to authority is a fallacy of defective induction, where it is argued that a statement is correct because the statement is made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative. The most general structure of this argument is:

1. Source A says that p is true.
2. Source A is authoritative.
3. Therefore, p is true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

No kidding.

yeah no kidding i'm not debating duh. i'm pointing out how delusional and arrogant it is for a person with no higher education in science to dismiss what is effectively unanimous scientific consensus out of hand.

Any Christian who tries to claim someone is fallacious in using an Argument from authority is lol ironic.

Dare I ask why you think that?

Dont you already know?

If you had limited your statement to the "churchianity" types, I might have agreed with you. There are unthinking followers in all areas. Since you said "any" Christian, I have no idea what you mean.

Appeal to authority has nothing to do with "unthinking". The basis of Christianity itself is appeal to authority. I'm shocked you disagree

Not at all, the difference is this, an athiest had an evil intent and knows it, the Christian who is confused and believes lots of error is usually much, much more aggressive and mean. They think they are right and they do not think they are being evil because they are decieved.

So its similar, both are decieved, both do not know it but one knows they have evil intent and the other does not.

Most of the biggest evils in the world have been done by religious people who are sincere and think they are doing their God a favor.

I am not talking about true Christianty by the way, mainstream for sure at times can be quite evil. Although they are still Christians and part of the family of God they still do some pretty dumb and evil things.

The one thing that you are missing is that they do not believe the bible nor do they rely on it for truth. Thats the problem, because if they did they would not waste so much time trying to figure things out, they would have the true basis for the foundations and laws of life and then could build from there. But they do not.

I am not saying they are not smart, but their intelligence is not the wisdom and knowledge of God, its flawed and skewed and not reliable as truth.

Sure they can prove a alot of physical things but they make LOTS of assumptions when they have no proof and then put it out in ways to the world as if its truth. And then people are supposed to believe it or they just do because some guy has a credential in front of his name.

Credentials mean nothing to me, "Does what they say, jive with the word of God, with what it teaches as truth?" If not, then they are wrong, if yes, then they are right, its that simple.

Believe me, I have a higher education than they do, my education comes from as high as it goes, straight to the top.

You can't get any greater knowledge about life than from the source that created it.

I think thats pretty logical, dont you?

A. God is the creator of all life and designed it all.
B. His must be the authoratative source and know hoe it all works.
C. Anyone who does not agree with and believe that the one who created it all explanations is wrong.

Thats simple, simple logic that my 2 year old can follow.....

I think the scientist of this world are the arrogant ones to think they can outsmart God and especially the atheist on this forum.

I know. When i talk to a believer im evil and they are love, i just said that.

LOL you can not seriously be a real person if you posted this right after Concerto's "Argument from authority" post.

Yep I sure did............

God is the authority on all things.

An education from the authority makes that education much higher than anything less than that.

Simple.......... laugh all you want..........

you certainly know more then Bible Scholars and the scientific community. I mean, why do you bother? As best we can tell, we can't be sure you have a high school degree. You should no proficiency in science. Why on earth would you think you can contradict the combined efforts of the scientific community AND Biblical scholars.

Its like humoring a debate where on one side we have the entire scientific establishment teamed up with church scholars who spend their life studying scripture and having them battle the crazy homeless guy on a streetcorner.

Gunth vs Science/Biblical scholars.... hmmm, which sounds like they know what they're talking about?

including Splendour and, I believe, Gunth... who you earlier called them enlightened. What does it say that you praise them when its convenient for you but readily admit they're completely wrong?

This is sort of funny since you seem happy to ignore the fact that EVERY PLETHO argument ends with an argument from authority. Namely, he declares himself the authority on all spiritual matters. Only the 10% of Christians who agree with him are correct. And he isn't interested in arguing because he is the authority.

I'm still not sure what you're getting at.

Christianity does appeal to God's authority. If that is what you mean then you are misunderstanding the appeal to authority fallacy.

Christians appeal to God and the Bible's authority in matters of truth. "statement is correct because the statement is made by God (or in the Bible)" is the very foundation of Christianity itself.

Please explain how this is not an appeal to authority fallacy.

From the article I linked earlier:

"This is a fallacy because the truth or falsity of the claim is not necessarily related to the personal qualities of the claimant..."

This objection does not apply to God.

logic doesn't apply to god. we all know that.

ex. Theists claim everything needs a creator. What created universe? God. what created god? God doesn't need a creator.

tee hee. He beat me to it!

Its so great seeing them make up rules and disregard reason at their whim.

Of course it doesn't. God created (what we understand as) logic.

They shouldn't. Only created things need a creator.

you know this because... oh yeah, your appeal to authority.

And since you've arbitrarily defined god as not needing a creator, it works! The logical way to solve problems is to make up premises at your whim, pretend they're true! LOGIC!

Thanks for proving me point.