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10-29-2012 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
I like this one. A scientist from Belfast ruins him after asking for applications of young Earth science.
Ha ha ha excellent!
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10-29-2012 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pooter
JFTR It was a troll post.

I know all about how god created the chicken that gave birth to the first ever egg. oppps sorry couldn't help myself.
lol...I knew it was (probably) a troll post, but I remembered seeing this once and thought "the chicken and the egg question, answered according to science" was interesting/amusing, in a way.
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10-29-2012 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny
It was a genuine question, I'm not really sure.
I don't think it matters that much really since there are so many other examples to choose from.

Everything may be just a theory but some theories have a lot more evidence to support them than others and Evolution has so much that it's almost overwhelming. So I feel comfortable in saying that I simply don't understand how anyone can deny it's likelihood of being correct.
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10-29-2012 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Beer
Evolution is a fact and creationists are at best ignorant and deluded but more usually tainted by the dishonesty inherent to creationism.
There isnt one single bit of evidence for evolution as pointed out in those debates, everything in the textbook is blatantly made up.

Go ahead.
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10-29-2012 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
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It's a great example of how Hovind says things that sound like they could be true, and if it wasn't for Dr Scott correcting Hovind's assertions over and over, you can see how some people get duped by his well-practiced rhetoric.
Youre being ridiculous if you think some regular guy with a bible would be able to hold his own against the whole science community to the point of them refusing to debate him if it wasnt the truth. Even if someone did appear to win 1 debate against him its because we arent given the exact details of what happened in the bible. Theres many different theories about how to interpret Genesis and Hovind is indeed wrong about a few things in my opinion but thats not the point.

I believe the bible is the truth but its really hard to understand it completely when you have such a big cover up. For example I believe that nephilim giants from Genesis 6 actually existed and every culture talked about them or even worshiped them. Theres bones of these creatures in museums in south america. Most of the bones found here are taken away by the government under the guise of protecting "ancient native american artifacts"... same thing with any evidence that would disprove the evolution myth.

Do your own research but its almost impossible to get solid info because of the suppression and you will never be exposed to any of these arguments without trying to look for it.

Until we realize that we have largely been raised and educated in an atmosphere of incorrect theories and outright lies, we will not be able to accept the truth.

The Bible tells us in Revelation 12:9 that everyone on earth has been deceived. “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:”

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10-29-2012 , 08:39 AM
Do you think one should finish a course of antibiotics, even if you're feeling better?
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10-29-2012 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
The Bible tells us in Revelation 12:9 that everyone on earth has been deceived. “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:”
That's awkward for you I guess, huh?
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10-29-2012 , 09:06 AM
Welcome, nooberbtw

What parts of evolutionary theory do you disagree with, specifically?
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10-29-2012 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Old Prunes
Welcome, nooberbtw

What parts of evolutionary theory do you disagree with, specifically?
I agree with evolution but it started not from a single common ancestor but from many separate ancestors from gods creation. But I believe there has never been a beneficial mutation. All the information to create all the different types of dogs are already there.

Before you cite me to some bacteria gaining resistance to something you will have to understand that it is because of a LOSS of information.

Last edited by nooberftw; 10-29-2012 at 09:29 AM.
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10-29-2012 , 09:46 AM
Thanks for the quick reply. Where is the information for creating dog breeds stored, and what is the mechanism through which it is accessed (if different from conventional genetics)
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10-29-2012 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
Before you cite me to some bacteria gaining resistance to something you will have to understand that it is because of a LOSS of information.
How was this demonstrated?
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10-29-2012 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIgW...eature=related

I like this one. A scientist from Belfast ruins him after asking for applications of young Earth science.
Brilliant. Loved the ending where Hovind tries to discuss Muslims blowing people up (a weird tangent) and the fella owning him replies about Christians in Belfast blowing people up.
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10-29-2012 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by asdfasdf32
It an incredibly sad state of affairs when this isn't a troll question in some parts of the U.S. Let's saddle up our triceratops and go for a ride into the sunset.

inaccurate, everybody knows triceratops loved to wear ankle boots
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10-29-2012 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
Before you cite me to some bacteria gaining resistance to something you will have to understand that it is because of a LOSS of information.
Absolutely incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-lactamase (emphasis mine below)
"Penicillinase was the first β-lactamase to be identified: It was first isolated by Abraham and Chain in 1940 from Gram-negative E. coli even before penicillin entered clinical use, but penicillinase production quickly spread to bacteria that previously did not produce it or produced it only rarely."
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10-29-2012 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
There isnt one single bit of evidence for evolution
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
I agree with evolution
This is about the normal level of cognitive dissonance displayed by creationists. Are you able to phrase your beliefs in a non-contradictory and internally consistent manner?
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10-29-2012 , 05:00 PM
Microevolution is what happens when you lose information. Macroevolution requires added information (which is obviously impossible). LDO.
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10-29-2012 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Prunes
Thanks for the quick reply. Where is the information for creating dog breeds stored, and what is the mechanism through which it is accessed (if different from conventional genetics)
No its genetics
I mean its going to be some sort of a dog, or its going to die

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Originally Posted by Mr Beer
This is about the normal level of cognitive dissonance displayed by creationists. Are you able to phrase your beliefs in a non-contradictory and internally consistent manner?

Microevolution
Not abiogenesis or macroevolution


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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Absolutely incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-lactamase (emphasis mine below)
"Penicillinase was the first β-lactamase to be identified: It was first isolated by Abraham and Chain in 1940 from Gram-negative E. coli even before penicillin entered clinical use, but penicillinase production quickly spread to bacteria that previously did not produce it or produced it only rarely."
The mechanisms of mutation and natural selection aid bacteria populations in becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, mutation and natural selection also result in bacteria with defective proteins that have lost their normal functions.

Evolution requires a gain of functional systems for bacteria to evolve into man—functioning arms, eyeballs, and a brain, to name a few.

Mutation and natural selection, thought to be the driving forces of evolution, only lead to a loss of functional systems. Therefore, antibiotic resistance of bacteria is not an example of evolution in action but rather variation within a bacterial kind. It is also a testimony to the wonderful design God gave bacteria, master adapters and survivors in a sin-cursed world.

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10-29-2012 , 09:33 PM
Given the difference between a St. Bernard and a Chihuahua, what is it that you think will stop microevolution from changing these breeds into separate species?
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10-29-2012 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Given the difference between a St. Bernard and a Chihuahua, what is it that you think will stop microevolution from changing these breeds into separate species?
Recombination of existing genes can produce enormous variety within a kind, but the variation is limited by the genes present. If there are no genes present for producing feathers, you can breed reptiles for a billion years and you will not get anything with feathers! Polyploidy (multiplication of the number of chromosomes), chromosome translocations, recombination and even (possibly) mutations can generate ‘new species’, but not new information, not new characteristics for which there were no genes to start with.
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10-29-2012 , 09:45 PM
I don't see why not.

The genomes we've mapped seem to indicate that there's a lot of useless DNA. And, as you say, polyploidy too.

This extra junk DNA can mutate and become active, and do whatever the hell it does, and then be selected for or against.
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10-29-2012 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
I don't see why not.

The genomes we've mapped seem to indicate that there's a lot of useless DNA. And, as you say, polyploidy too.

This extra junk DNA can mutate and become active, and do whatever the hell it does, and then be selected for or against.
its never been observed

burdens on you
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10-29-2012 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
Microevolution
Not abiogenesis or macroevolution
I'll take that to mean 'noober agrees that microevolution occurs but not macroevolution or abiogenesis'

Abiogenesis is not evolution, most creationists don't realise that though.

What is the difference between microevolution and macroevolution?
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10-29-2012 , 10:21 PM
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10-29-2012 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
one has been observed and the other is a religion
So you're not here for a meaningful discussion then. Cool.
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10-29-2012 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
So you're not here for a meaningful discussion then. Cool.
sorry

already posted basically how i think it works literally 1 post before it
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