if I have no nerves?

I don't know if there is a Hell or whether it hurts. I do know that at times living hurts like hell.

Yes it will hurt wtf kind of question is this?

I thought there must be a famous theologian or atheist named Will Hell. Glad nobody got hurt though.

Do you have any idea what it's like to hate yourself and everyone around you? Or, do you know anyone like that? Anyone so miserable and alone and who blames the whole world for his situation? He sees other people being happy and loathes them all the more? Someone who refuses to even look for any solution and is so steeped in his own rage he drives everyone away?

That's the pain of hell. Only I think a lot worse.

Praxising, I appreciate your description of how hell would feel, but doesn't 'feeling' originate in the brain? All of the rage, loneliness, anger you describe in your example are all to be found with imbalances in the brain. How would this relate to the afterlife?

Side question: Does God feel pain?

Not all of it.

So, living in Heaven and knowing that many of your family and friends are suffering an eternity in Hell will be what? Joyful bliss?

"Many" of my family and friends are going to hell? What are you on about?

However - I don't want anyone at all down there. I can't change that, though, because people are in that state because they choose to be there and don't want to leave.

There are miserable unhappy people everywhere who do not do anything to change their own state of being. Sooooo - what? Am I supposed to go around being miserable because of that? Are you? Why would it be different on the Other Side?

You want to know how easy it is to avoid hell? Desire heaven and ask God for help. That is all. It's not like it's some big secret.

Like Christians always say without bad how could you have good? God has to make hell hurt so heaven can be pain free.

Just take comfort in the knowledge your pain and suffering in hell is bringing joy and happiness to those who look down on you from heaven.

You miss my point entirely.

My point is that a blissful Heaven full of joy and happiness isn't a possibility if you care for anyone beyond yourself. Just through simple statistics, someone you love will not make it into Heaven.

How happy can someone be knowing that someone they love is suffering? It doesn't matter if you can do anything about it or not. If you can be blissfully happy while someone you love is suffering, then you're a heartless pig. If you can't be blissfully happy, then Heaven isn't the paradise that most churches peddle on Sunday.

So what now? Personally, I predict some goal posts moving.

Do you believe that hell is a place of eternal suffering? If not, you can safely ignore the rest of my post.

Do you believe that belief in Jesus is a necessary condition for entering heaven (assuming people that have heard of Jesus)? If not, you can safely ignore the rest of my post.

Now on to my point. You said:

"You want to know how easy it is to avoid hell? Desire heaven and ask God for help. That is all. It's not like it's some big secret."

Here's the problem, in order to desire heaven and ask God for help, you first have to believe those things exist! In fact, if you want to try to make decisions that will keep you out of hell, you first have to believe that hell exists.

I was a Christian for most of my life. I never had the personal experience to back up my belief that others have talked about. I really really wanted to feel like God was with me, but I never did. For me my belief was based on evidence. The stories in the Bible and the stories that my family and our friends from church told was enough for me when I was young. But then I got older and started doing a lot more reading about religion and discussing religion. Eventually I came to realize that the evidence I had based my belief on was woefully inadequate, and I stopped being a Christian.

If I am wrong about the God of the Bible, it is an honest mistake. I'm not turning my back on God, I just don't think he exists.

If you answered yes to the above two questions, you believe that I will suffer for eternity after my life here on earth ends. So here's the million dollar question: Do you believe that it is just that someone like me will spend eternity in hell?

I would like to hear other Christians chime in on this as well, but only if you answered yes to the two questions.

You know out of all of the atheists here you are one of maybe two or three that I believe when you say something like this. That probably means nothing to you, but I thought that I would share that.

Who says that? I would say that you could not have bad without good, or at least good being defined.

Thanks! But just two or three?

Its the same difference. For good to exist you need bad. For bad to exist you need good. At least that what i have been told. And i was just kidding around anyway.

it doesnt exist, so no of course not silly!

Christians certainly do NOT "always say this" as it's egregiously stupid and not part of anything in standard Christian theology.

According to whom? You?

no

That's not logical. Without getting bogged down in semantics - good is the basic state - bad is the absence of that or the interference with that.

Bad is the basic state - good is the absence of that or the interference with that. Assertions are fun.

I said i was just kididng around in the part you cut out.

I read. I just didn't believe you. Still don't. Your version of "kidding around" is: I'm smarter than these stupid people and I can make them look even more stupid than they already are. I'm sure that you get a real hoot out of yourself.

As for whomever you quoted - not responsible for the rantings of the theologically ignorant.

And BTW, this is just another way of saying that one can certainly exist without the other.

I dont care if you believe me, so we should be good there.
I vary rarely feel smart when posting but sometimes i do get a hoot.
He might say the same.

Cool i dont have a problem with that.