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Old 01-02-2017, 04:03 PM   #51
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Re: Does Religion provide a better solution to Existential Nihilism?

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I'm not following, are you claiming that religious terrorists are nihilists?
I have to break down how the game works in order to answer this. Imagine that at every moment of your life you are consciously and willfully reaffirming to yourself that your life is building toward an unknown ultimate meaning, which is 'good' since we all naturally want to move away from pain and in the direction of it's opposite. Here is how that will play out if you commit to it:

You will orientate yourself toward a purpose that you have decided gives the best chance to realize your current interpretation of the ultimate meaning; and attaining that goal will turn out to fall short. Shifting your focus to a new pursuit will lead you to the same result. As you continue this cycle, the tension gradually builds and you begin to realize that you lack the ability to recognize how to move toward the ultimate meaning.

At this point, the tension is at all time high, your will has been strengthened through repeated conscious choice, but you are unable to act without compromising your realization that you lack the ability to know how to act correctly. Desire, will, resistance, and tension all boil over into chaos and disorientation. You go from being completely engrossed in the game (external world) to becoming more and more detached. When you reach a certain level of detachment from the external, your internal world becomes more conscious. Less focus is placed on the game and more and more focus goes to the player. You become conscious of the harmful and destructive impulses within you and can free yourself from them.

This process plays out predictably as a consequence of continuously, consciously, and willfully believing that life has an ultimate meaning. As long as you don't make progress in this game, you are susceptible to destructive activity that is lurking beneath the surface depending on the amount of adversity you face in the game.

So when I say the reason why religious terrorists exist is because of a lack of meaning, that is what I mean. Of course, most people are susceptible to evil in the same way but are usually protected by the conditions of the society they live in; but when those conditions worsen things can go bad quickly as we've seen through the atrocities of history.

To circle back to the question posed in the OP. The question of whether religion is a better alternative to nihilism is not the best way to approach the problem since all the major religions have a place for its members to go when they fall into a lack of sustained ultimate meaning. If there were a religion that were as strict in the standard that I've described, then that religion would not have enough followers to exist; or rather that religion would only exist as long as there was a credible leader to maintain it. Then it would morph into something less demanding or die off. Something to consider..
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Old 01-02-2017, 04:45 PM   #52
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Re: Does Religion provide a better solution to Existential Nihilism?

Excuse the sloppy grammar at the end - missed the edit window.
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Old 01-02-2017, 09:24 PM   #53
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Re: Does Religion provide a better solution to Existential Nihilism?

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I have to break down how the game works in order to answer this. Imagine that at every moment of your life you are consciously and willfully reaffirming to yourself that your life is building toward an unknown ultimate meaning, which is 'good' since we all naturally want to move away from pain and in the direction of it's opposite. Here is how that will play out if you commit to it:

You will orientate yourself toward a purpose that you have decided gives the best chance to realize your current interpretation of the ultimate meaning; and attaining that goal will turn out to fall short. Shifting your focus to a new pursuit will lead you to the same result. As you continue this cycle, the tension gradually builds and you begin to realize that you lack the ability to recognize how to move toward the ultimate meaning.

At this point, the tension is at all time high, your will has been strengthened through repeated conscious choice, but you are unable to act without compromising your realization that you lack the ability to know how to act correctly. Desire, will, resistance, and tension all boil over into chaos and disorientation. You go from being completely engrossed in the game (external world) to becoming more and more detached. When you reach a certain level of detachment from the external, your internal world becomes more conscious. Less focus is placed on the game and more and more focus goes to the player. You become conscious of the harmful and destructive impulses within you and can free yourself from them.

This process plays out predictably as a consequence of continuously, consciously, and willfully believing that life has an ultimate meaning. As long as you don't make progress in this game, you are susceptible to destructive activity that is lurking beneath the surface depending on the amount of adversity you face in the game.

So when I say the reason why religious terrorists exist is because of a lack of meaning, that is what I mean. Of course, most people are susceptible to evil in the same way but are usually protected by the conditions of the society they live in; but when those conditions worsen things can go bad quickly as we've seen through the atrocities of history.

To circle back to the question posed in the OP. The question of whether religion is a better alternative to nihilism is not the best way to approach the problem since all the major religions have a place for its members to go when they fall into a lack of sustained ultimate meaning. If there were a religion that were as strict in the standard that I've described, then that religion would not have enough followers to exist; or rather that religion would only exist as long as there was a credible leader to maintain it. Then it would morph into something less demanding or die off. Something to consider..
But if we Christianity as an example, would this mean that Abraham believed life to be without meaning when he agreed to kill his son?
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:31 PM   #54
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Re: Does Religion provide a better solution to Existential Nihilism?

"getting a job, paying taxes, getting married and having kids . . . I find burdensome, boring and pathetic."

So what? Your life can include those things as well as other things that you don't find burdensome, boring, and pathetic. I find brushing my teeth burdensome and boring. I find Donald Trump pathetic. My life includes all of these things but a whole lot more as well. For me, it doesn't include religion. For others it does. Different strokes for different folks.
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:11 PM   #55
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Re: Does Religion provide a better solution to Existential Nihilism?

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But if we Christianity as an example, would this mean that Abraham believed life to be without meaning when he agreed to kill his son?
I don't know if that story is to be taken literally or not.

Two people can both have similar upbringings, go through adversity, and one can turn out to be a serial killer while the other can be the moral opposite. What is the difference to account for that? I was attempting to answer that question.

Believing life has meaning is a conceptualization of embodied mindsets. What we consciously think about our beliefs doesn't really matter; what matters is the mindsets we embody. Setting aside our involuntary mindsets, if we voluntarily embody optimistic mindsets, we move toward the good, and the opposite is true.

It has to be understood that there are countless steps and lessons to be implemented between embody optimistic mindset and realize ultimate meaning. But that is the foundation and what drives our personal evolution.
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Old 01-07-2017, 10:01 AM   #56
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Re: Does Religion provide a better solution to Existential Nihilism?

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"getting a job, paying taxes, getting married and having kids . . . I find burdensome, boring and pathetic."

So what? Your life can include those things as well as other things that you don't find burdensome, boring, and pathetic. I find brushing my teeth burdensome and boring. I find Donald Trump pathetic. My life includes all of these things but a whole lot more as well. For me, it doesn't include religion. For others it does. Different strokes for different folks.
What are those other things?
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:06 PM   #57
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Re: Does Religion provide a better solution to Existential Nihilism?

''They would rather get drunk and talk about what was on TV. I find that just as absurd as a believing in God.''


TV > god

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