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06-16-2012, 07:22 AM
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Does God Punish suicides?
Assuming the Christian god of the bible exists does that god punish suicides?
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06-16-2012, 07:34 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
In th Catholic Church, we were taught that suicide is a mortal sin, and it would prevent you from entering heaven.
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06-16-2012, 09:18 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
I don't know what a mortal sin is. I was under the impression that God could not forgive unbelief.
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06-16-2012, 09:30 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
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Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
I don't know what a mortal sin is. I was under the impression that God could not forgive unbelief.
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Mortal sins ((Latin) peccata mortalia) are in the theology of some, but not all, Christian denominations wrongful acts that condemn a person to Hell after death. These sins are considered "mortal" because they constitute a rupture in a person's link to God's saving grace: the person's soul becomes "dead", not merely weakened. A mortal sin does not usually mean a sin that cannot be repented; even after a mortal sin there is a chance for repentance. To Catholics repentance and a firm resolution to sin no more or to avoid occasions where one would be likely to give into sin restores the link to God's saving grace in the sacrament of penance and outside it if the contrition is perfect. Perfect contrition rises from the love of God who has been grievously offended and a firm resolution to sin no more or to avoid occasions where one would be likely to give into sin.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_sin
Considering then that you would have no time to repent for the mortal sin of suicide, I suppose it's a way to ensure hell.
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06-16-2012, 10:24 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
You could jump off a tall building and repent on the way down. Any statistics on suicide methods chosen by Catholics?
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06-16-2012, 10:39 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
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You could jump off a tall building and repent on the way down. Any statistics on suicide methods chosen by Catholics?
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06-16-2012, 10:46 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
You'd have to dig into the bible to see what God actually says on suicide Mr. McFold. He may say it mainly through instructive example(s) like Elijah's.
Here's one interpretation:
http://whatsaiththescripture.com/Fel...s.Suicide.html
Dickens who had an estimated IQ of 180 and was called "that great Christian writer" by Tolstoy and Doestoevsky used to use examples in his works also.
Dicken's wrote:
"With a deep sense of my great responsibility always upon me when I exercise my art, one of my most constant and most earnest endeavours has been to exhibit in all my good people some faint reflections of our great Master, and unostentatiously to lead the reader up to those teachings as the great source of all moral goodness. All my strongest illustrations are drawn from the New Testament; all my social abuses are shown as departures from its spirit; all my good people are humble, charitable, faithful, and forgiving. Over and over again, I claim them in express words as disciples of the Founder of our religion; but I must admit that to a man (or a woman) they all arise and wash their faces, and do not appear unto men to fast."
http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/.../dickens4.html
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06-16-2012, 10:49 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
Yeah just being super reckless is another way, but I'd be worried about the nearly-died-but-not-quite scenario. And then in my horribly disabled state I wouldn't have the same opportunities to be reckless. So it has to be something where an "accident" leads to certain death.
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06-16-2012, 11:23 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Yeah just being super reckless is another way, but I'd be worried about the nearly-died-but-not-quite scenario. And then in my horribly disabled state I wouldn't have the same opportunities to be reckless. So it has to be something where an "accident" leads to certain death.
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Not really. God would be able to judge intent, so an activity that might fool other people into thinking it was an accident would not fool God, under the assumption that there was a God, etc. So this entire line of reasoning does not work.
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06-16-2012, 11:26 AM
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So we're back to "jump off tall building, repent on the way down." Should work as long as the repentance is sincere.
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06-16-2012, 11:50 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
So we're back to "jump off tall building, repent on the way down." Should work as long as the repentance is sincere.
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Yeah, that would work in theory. Kind of tricky in practice though. I would not recommend it.
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06-16-2012, 11:58 AM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
Well is repentance a chant, or actions proving that you've changed?
I'm in the pro reincarnation camp (lonely camp  ), so it's kind of like tossing away an opportunity but you'll most likely get another chance, unless the alotted time for souls to repent (actions) has ended - the 6000 years is up.
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06-16-2012, 12:16 PM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
But will that person be born with a defect as punnishment? Imo, no. It's not strictly prohibited in the law, so it can't be that bad.
All the greats had what some would call suicidal tendencies, and I think you need this to be great. But the emo kind of slice your wrist, jump of a building; is obviously a little different.
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06-16-2012, 04:51 PM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
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Originally Posted by SprayandPray
But will that person be born with a defect as punnishment? Imo, no. It's not strictly prohibited in the law, so it can't be that bad.
All the greats had what some would call suicidal tendencies, and I think you need this to be great. But the emo kind of slice your wrist, jump of a building; is obviously a little different.
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LOL at the thought of god judging an action based on how it is viewed by human laws
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06-16-2012, 06:05 PM
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Re: Does God Punish suicides?
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LOL at the thought of god judging an action based on how it is viewed by human laws
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Well I was referring to God's laws. fwiw
It probably is prohibited in U.S. law, which I would agree is irrelevant.
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