We are sinners by nature, and by choice.

I sinless life doesn't seem like much of a choice if no one has done it.

Thats especially true for the proponents of original sin which i made on choices about yet am being punished.

Someone has. And He was born into and lived in the same fallen world that we are.

Will any other human do it? Can they?

No. By God's grace it is much easier than that. Jesus did it for us.

If no one can that must mean its not a real free willed choice to live a life without sin.

No more than we can choose to sprout wings and fly. We are born into sin as a result of original sin. That is not to say that we would not sin if we were in Adam's place. And God has provided us with an easier way to receive eternal life.

Right. Asking someone to live a sinless life is as hopeless as asking them to fly. We are doomed for for not reaching an impossibility and the only way out is asking for forgiveness for not reaching that impossibility.

Its like God is asking me to fly and then when i cant him demanding i ask for forgiveness for not flying. Its messed up...
That just makes things worse if all humans would of made the same choice. It means there was no real choice in the Garden either.


Thats actually not as easy as you make it out to be. The belief only view of salvation is far harder then some other versions salvation in Christianity and Judaism. From my view God/Jesus asking me to believe in him is like asking me to fly.

You asking me to believe in the Christian God is like me asking you to believe in Allah. It can't be done without faking (which I assume an omniscient God would see right through, agreed?).

Yet you claim this impossibility is easy.

Wizard's arguments are circular. They don't work for nonbelievers.

Worse, nonbelievers represent a failure of his God, because they mean She did a lousy job of making her existence known.

And why would anyone worship a being that does such incompetent work?

Your view, as I understand it, is that the 'conscience' was given to us by God. What, then, is your account of psychopaths; of people who are able to commit crimes, both petty and heinous, without a shred of remorse? Have they not been given consciences?

Also, in what sense is the conscience 'given'? Was it placed in our genetic code? Can other animals have consciences?

"Does God Expect Us to Believe in Him?"

"God: No I don't. Now go to hell mother****er!"