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Old 12-19-2011, 09:40 AM   #1
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Doctrinal Grids?

What carnal mind came up with doctrinal grids?

A Christian apologist wrote the following on CARM's site:

Is it possible for Christian to be a universalist? Some will say no, others will say yes. My position is that it is possible for a Christian to be a universalist -- note, I said "possible". But, to be clear upfront, I believe universalism to be a heresy and I would never say, "All universalists are Christians."

Later on he says:

"There are essentials of the Christian faith. I have developed a "doctrine grid" where I have tried to arrange essential and non-essential doctrines into an easily understandable system."


Since when was God or man ever limited by a doctrinal grid?

Does anyone know any person that ever stayed within the lines in his life?

Is God's love for the world limited by a doctrinal grid? No God's love is like a cup continuously overflowing.

Doctrinal grids? Grow the hell up CARM. Love always saves the most and has the most lasting of effects.

None of the atheists on here would be atheists if they learned a secret practice.

The practice is to know God has given you a luminescent pearl made of agape love. It's the most precious substance known to man. You take the pearl and hide it in a pocket close to your heart and you don't show it to anybody. Instead you go into a secret place and take the pearl out and look at it whenever you like. The pearl has a strange power. It radiates a glow just for you. Sooner or later you will start to radiate that glow back. If you meditate on it long enough....Any time your peace is disrupted go back into your secret place and take that pearl out and meditate on it....It won't be long before you're fearless and think you can do anything.

Silly CARM:
http://carm.org/can-christian-be-universalist

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Old 12-19-2011, 10:04 AM   #2
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Re: Doctrinal Grids?

I have noticed a change in your writing style over the last week or two. Major kudos to you if the previous Splendour incarnation was a troll.
If not, I hope you are ok
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:08 AM   #3
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What you didn't expect God's love to break all the rules?

The rules are mainly connectivity problems people have or set up by God to keep his children from killing each other. We're the ones that have the problem staying in the lines. He doesn't have that problem.

Look at the animals in the book of Isaiah. The lions will lay down with the lambs. Doesn't that mean God will one day tame everyone? Isn't peace just another name for being domesticated by God?
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What you didn't expect God's love to break all the rules?

The rules are mainly connectivity problems people have or set up by God to keep his children from killing each other. We're the ones that have the problem staying in the lines. He doesn't have that problem.

Look at the animals in the book of Isaiah. The lions will lay down with the lambs. Doesn't that mean God will one day tame everyone? Isn't peace just another name for being domesticated by God?
Quite simply. NO.
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:26 AM   #5
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Re: Doctrinal Grids?

You're objecting to everything, but not really objecting to anything. Seems like you're just annoyed by the format in which he presents his theology. Some people like lists/grids.
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:21 PM   #6
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Quite simply. NO.
Isn't God giving an example of domesticated animals in Isaiah?

What if God is domesticating humans with religion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icated_animals

Dogs are now tame with significant physical changes.

Doesn't God promise to change people's bodies in the future?
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:31 PM   #7
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Isn't God giving an example of domesticated animals in Isaiah?

What if God is domesticating humans with religion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icated_animals

Dogs are now tame with significant physical changes.

Doesn't God promise to change people's bodies in the future?
You are sick..
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:42 PM   #8
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I am a bit worried about splendour. Has no one else noticed a change in style recently?
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You are sick..
I'm brilliant.
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Re: Doctrinal Grids?

What is this thread even about? Grids are sinful, and God is domesticating us?
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I am a bit worried about splendour. Has no one else noticed a change in style recently?
She's always been annoying but lately the amount of crazy and off topic replies is on the increase maybe she is going through some mental breakdown?
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She's always been annoying but lately the amount of crazy and off topic replies is on the increase maybe she is going through some mental breakdown?
Yeah, her posts have become even more disjointed and 'string of consciousness' than before.

If Splendour came out and admitted that she suffers from some kind of mental illness, how do you think people would react?

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Old 12-19-2011, 03:31 PM   #13
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Yeah, her posts have become even more disjointed and 'string of consciousness' than before.

If Splendour came out and admitted that she suffers from some kind of mental illness, how do you think people would react?
Compassion I'd hope.
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Re: Doctrinal Grids?

Universalism is silly within the context of standard Christian doctrine and dogma.

But, the idea behind Universalism is true. It's easier to comprehend when you realize that reincarnation is the model that we live in. It's incompatible with the one-and-done model of life taught by Christianity.

It's also easier to realize why Universalism is correct when you comprehend why all are reconciled to the Source eventually. It's because the divine spark of Source is at the core of our being and is what has brought us into existence and is what gives us this thing called Life. And we carry that spark with us always and it will always be drawn to it's Source.

We are like drops of water from an Infinite Ocean that one day returns to the Ocean.
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Old 12-19-2011, 04:52 PM   #15
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She's always been annoying but lately the amount of crazy and off topic replies is on the increase maybe she is going through some mental breakdown?
Lol...I don't know why I share original thoughts on this board. I keep forgetting there are a lot of literal atheist fundamentalists who say they are interested in challenging their own thinking but really aren't.

But just imagine if God is managing evolution through religion.

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Domestication (from Latin domesticus) or taming is the process whereby a population of animals or plants, through a process of selection, becomes accustomed to human provision and control.

Charles Darwin described how the process of domestication can involve both unconscious and methodical elements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication
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