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06-08-2010 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
I did not read the second, but did glance over the first. Probably one of the worst arguments for the "eternal torment" view that I have seen.

The "eternal torment" view is pretty weak biblically at best and is down right contradictory at worst.

Please answer why God would choose to torment people for all of eternity with absolutely no redemptive value?
Exactly, it is not true, only the devil will be in the lake of fire and his cohorts, and since they are spirit their toruture will simply be being isolated and captivated for eternity where they cannot use any of the power.

(there will be unbelievers thrown into the lake of fire but when that happens they will cease to exist forever instantly, thought I might add that, they can die, and its called the second death biblically)

Imagine being the best poker player and no one can ever beat you and thats what you live for, thats what you crave and desire, even imagine it was your nature, then imagine never being able to play ever again. That would be torture.

Maybe a bad example but I think you get the pic.
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06-09-2010 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Exactly, it is not true, only the devil will be in the lake of fire and his cohorts, and since they are spirit their toruture will simply be being isolated and captivated for eternity where they cannot use any of the power.

(there will be unbelievers thrown into the lake of fire but when that happens they will cease to exist forever instantly, thought I might add that, they can die, and its called the second death biblically)

Imagine being the best poker player and no one can ever beat you and thats what you live for, thats what you crave and desire, even imagine it was your nature, then imagine never being able to play ever again. That would be torture.

Maybe a bad example but I think you get the pic.
what happens to our SOULS?

is that not spirit?and if spirit cannot die, how will God do it?
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06-09-2010 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by keanosdog
what happens to our SOULS?

is that not spirit?and if spirit cannot die, how will God do it?
Soul life is not eternal. All mean have a body and a soul, all animals also.

The life of the flesh is in the blood and sould life is passed on through the blood from make to male.

Soul life is connected with breath life. God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul.

Spirit is a differnent element.

Soul life is spirit, but there is another type of spirit called holy spirit. Soul life and the spirit of man which is common to all men is very confused and mixed up with holy spirit.

Holy spirit is only given when you become born-again, which enables you to have eternal life.

Hopefully that wasn't confusing to you. I could probably do a better job at explaining this if needed.

In simplicity:

A. All people are born with body and soul life.

B. Only those who become born-again receive the second birth which is a spiritual birth and when this happens they recieve holy spirit, which is perfect and and enables them to have eternal life.

C. Soul life that all men have is spirit life but not eternal life spirit.

D. God will take the spirits that cannot be killed, the devil and all his cohorts and by His omnipotent power He will basically captivate them, lock them up, its a spiritual thing that He does that makes sure they never can release any more of there evilness anywhere. This captivation is for eternity, forever and ever.
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06-09-2010 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Soul life is not eternal. All mean have a body and a soul, all animals also.

The life of the flesh is in the blood and sould life is passed on through the blood from make to male.

Soul life is connected with breath life. God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul.

Spirit is a differnent element.

Soul life is spirit, but there is another type of spirit called holy spirit. Soul life and the spirit of man which is common to all men is very confused and mixed up with holy spirit.

Holy spirit is only given when you become born-again, which enables you to have eternal life.

Hopefully that wasn't confusing to you. I could probably do a better job at explaining this if needed.

In simplicity:

A. All people are born with body and soul life.

B. Only those who become born-again receive the second birth which is a spiritual birth and when this happens they recieve holy spirit, which is perfect and and enables them to have eternal life.

C. Soul life that all men have is spirit life but not eternal life spirit.

D. God will take the spirits that cannot be killed, the devil and all his cohorts and by His omnipotent power He will basically captivate them, lock them up, its a spiritual thing that He does that makes sure they never can release any more of there evilness anywhere. This captivation is for eternity, forever and ever.
oh right.it all makes perfect sense now.
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06-11-2010 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by keanosdog
oh right.it all makes perfect sense now.
Glad to be of help.............

The best way to have this to make sense to you, is to first recieve holy spirit, become born-again.

Romans 10:9,10 will do the trick.

Then you will have the capability to understand spiritual matters, seriously, because without spirit you will be asking questions a life time and not understanding any answers you get.
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06-13-2010 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Spirit cannot die.

Ominpotence or not.

If God created spirit to not be able to die, then His Omnipotence has nothing to do with it.

Since His Omnipotence created spirit with the inability to die, then He would have to contradict His own Omnipotence.

Oh sooooooo much you do not understand.
This is the good old "can God create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it?" debate. Which, obviously, goes both ways against you too. It's merely one's opinion as to whether he can or cannot create the rock, or the "spirit"; that you could say would also be an act which he shouldn't be able to do, yet should also be able to do, at the same time...it depends on how one defines "omnipotence". One view contradicts the other.

I could just easily say that you don't understand, because under my definition of omnipotence, God shouldn't have the power to create anything he can't destroy.

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