They must not be awake yet.

Yeah i have, just not recently though, according to genesis the only commandment was "do not eat an apple from some tree" i know, but because of original sin , AIDS and cancer exists?, also leper and flesh eating bacteria, is all mans fault? i thought the punishment was just to wonder through earth and work for your food or something like that.

If the devil created them then is because god lets him , God should stop him i would think if a 3 year old child gets cancer because of the devil and dies, is not fair to him that god could have stop the devil but didnt, in these case is not about believing or not for the kid, he could or couldnt have believed either way he was going to die.

Thats what you believe but its not the truth. There are spiritual laws and physical laws that exist, the devil has rights just like we do, he just knows his and most people, even Christians do not know their rights. Therefore they cannot stand up and fight back.

Gotta go for now.............

Lol its already written, its called the Bible, DUCY?

Nice christian debate nevertheless.

No worries the guy your taking to doesn't trust the word of God when it tells him to accept Jesus so hes going to hell by that doctrine too.

Do you believe that the earth is about 6,000 years old?

Welcome to the forum.

Since the beliefs of Christians are diverse and often mutually inconsistent, I will reply with what the Bible says, or rather what it does not say.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anyone will experience (prolonged) suffering after death. The "eternal punishment" awaiting some is death itself, which is both eternal and a pretty severe form of punishment.

Stop trolling batair, post something relevant. Do you think God would want everyone to just accept someone His Son as their Savior without knowing?
There is so much confusion out there, it is best to be sure of things. God says so Himself. And i think i have accepted Jesus into my life but don't fully know it yet.

Yes, since God Created. I am actually making a biblical time-line which i will eventually post.

The Bible makes it clear that the earth was around before Genesis.

And is this what you believe to be true? (One could agree the Bible says something without believing it's true.)

If so, what do you believe one needs to do to avoid that punishment? Is it always necessary to be a Christian? Is it sufficient?

This is what I believe to be true.

Since we are all sinners, and God will not let sin into heaven, the only way to escape natural death as your final fate is to accept payment in full for your admission into heaven as offered you by Jesus Christ through His self-sacrifice, and the acceptance thereof by God as signified by the resurrection.

Given that one could hardly do this without believing Jesus is and did as claimed, I think you have to be a Christian to get into God's heaven (the only alternative to the grave, a.k.a. "hell"). Accepting such payment for your sins would also seem to be sufficient, as having a ticket to board an airplane is sufficient to ride it.

I dont think death or "ceasing to exist" is punishment as you see it, we all didnt exist for millions of years before we were born and we didnt suffer, there is no suffering in death.

That's right, there is no suffering in death. Nevertheless, the death penalty is the worst punishment available in many courts.

The Bible never says anyone is going to suffer for all eternity.

well for somone like me who thinks eternal life is a highly improbable reality, i'd say death is no punishment at all...............

"Knowing" that time is running out is not suffering?

Revelation 20.10
Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the sulfuric lake of fire, joining the beast and the false prophet.[ There they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever.

seems pretty clear cut to me.

Agreed, and by that logic there are some people that welcome death like terminally ill patients who are in pain, etc. You can see it as punishment, they see it as eternal peace.

The death penalty is the worst punishment in courts according to man's law, but that sometimes doesnt satisfy our sense of justice, was death good enough for Hitler, or serial killers, and so on? We feel there is injustice in those death and we find comfort on telling ourselves that punishment (eternal) awaits those who werent punish in these life.

Now imagine there is no after life, that is a paradigm shift that most cant or wont accept, because it would mean that life is cruel and unfair, we need self comfort that we will be happy some day, somehow.

no it isn't. no one wants to die. but we all will. that is the one certainty.today i am one day closer to my death than yesterday. tommorrow will be the same.should i spend my life worrying about my impending death or should i enjoy what time i have left?

Why should i be worried ? everyone dies and that is a fact.

“Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is. I am not. Why should I fear that which cannot exist when I do?”

- Epicurus

No it is not certain and it is not a fact. That is just what seems visible.

If you cannot prove we die when we die, then you should not be stating that as fact.

nice quote i also like socrates one just before he swallowed the poison.

"either i am going to a better place or i am going for a long sleep. and sleep is nothing to be afraid of"

death is not certain?

Well Gunth you know what i mean, physical death if you may call it that, nobody can prove or disprove anything past that.

It is clear, but unless you're the devil etc, it does not apply to you.